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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Mal - you can stick with your verticals up there and if I had the environment Id be running them too - but well the loop really is the only operable, effective and relatively safe solution here in the Birch and Spruce forests (if youve seen the (very odd and not Wolf friendly) film "the Grey" - youll know the type of forest this is. Or take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2kXezEIIQo which the planes fly over my place at less than 200ft - you can see the tree issue The big loop which is "pointing" towards Eu and ZL (sorry Americas) is just slightly worse s/n than the K9AY (0.5db) and about 1dB poorer than the L400B probe on rx - all to do with power lines and local line noise plus what every our friends up the road at HAARP are frying tonight. The probe is effectively up 60ft on a frozen Spruce over a now frozen no so freshwater lake. The Ashlock loop is very benign and behaves itself and doesnt need a radial system and physically is self tensioning - its tuning is very sharp - if you tune across resonance with the rx on SSB it sounds like a 1.5KHz bandpass filter with the low and high end frequencies roll-in and outs' - Tells me its working pretty well and reasonable Q - of course the Decca really helps as its basically self protecting on fault conditions - a saving grace. Laurence From: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:05:17 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: Heating up Brass question [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hellozerohellozero[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.7 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 40cd937fc1c5e6338b07d288cd09d087 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_332906ae-9eb7-425e-851a-c409aafa1708_" Subject: LF: Mals loop X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d6058508721361921 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_332906ae-9eb7-425e-851a-c409aafa1708_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Mal - you can stick with your verticals up there and if I had the en= vironment Id be running them too - but well the loop really is the only op= erable=2C effective and relatively safe solution here in the Birch and Spr= uce forests (if youve seen the (very odd and not Wolf friendly) film "the G= rey" - youll know the type of forest this is. Or take a look at http://www.= youtube.com/watch?v=3D-2kXezEIIQo which the planes fly over my place at le= ss than 200ft - you can see the tree issue The big loop which is "pointing= " towards Eu and ZL (sorry Americas) is just slightly worse s/n than the K9= AY (0.5db) and about 1dB poorer than the L400B probe on rx - all to do wit= h power lines and local line noise plus what every our friends up the road = at HAARP are frying tonight. The probe is effectively up 60ft on a frozen S= pruce over a now frozen no so freshwater lake. The Ashlock loop is very be= nign and behaves itself and doesnt need a radial system and physically is s= elf tensioning - its tuning is very sharp - if you tune across resonance wi= th the rx on SSB it sounds like a 1.5KHz bandpass filter with the low and h= igh end frequencies roll-in and outs' - Tells me its working pretty well an= d reasonable Q - of course the Decca really helps as its basically self pro= tecting on fault conditions - a saving grace. Laurence=20 From: g3kevmal@talktalk.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue=2C 23 Oct 2012 09:05:17 +0000 Subject: LF: Re: Heating up Brass question Laurence Avoid such problems on LF/MF by using a=20 vertical system like an inv L etc. Loops do not attract me because of the=20 problems associated with high currents as you have stated 65 Amps !! One US= A=20 station some time back running QRO was talking about 90 Amps Big resonated loops are great for Receiving in the=20 chosen direction but I leave them alone for Transmitting On the higher frequencies one wave length loops for=20 the desired frequency are a different story. De malg3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Laurence KL1 X=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =20 Sent: Monday=2C October 22=2C 2012 11:09=20 PM Subject: LF: Heating = --_332906ae-9eb7-425e-851a-c409aafa1708_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks =3BMal - you can stick with your verticals up there and if I had= the environment Id be running them too - =3B but well the loop =3B= really is the =3Bonly operable=2C effective and relatively safe  = =3Bsolution here in the =3BBirch and Spruce forests (if youve =3Bse= en the (very odd and not Wolf friendly) =3Bfilm "the Grey" - youll know= the type of forest this =3Bis. Or take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-2kXez= EIIQo =3B which the =3Bplanes fly over my place at less than 20= 0ft =3B-  =3Byou can see the tree issue
 =3B
The big loop= which is "pointing" towards Eu and ZL (sorry Americas) is just slightly wo= rse s/n =3Bthan the K9AY (0.5db) and about 1dB =3Bpoorer than the &= nbsp=3BL400B probe on rx - all to do with power lines and local line noise = plus =3Bwhat every our friends up =3Bthe road at HAARP are frying&n= bsp=3Btonight. The probe is =3Beffectively =3Bup 60ft on =3Ba f= rozen Spruce over a now frozen no so freshwater  =3Blake.
 =3BThe Ashlock loop is very benign and behaves itself and doesnt =3Bneed= a radial system and physically is self tensioning - its =3Btuning is v= ery sharp - if you tune across =3Bresonance with the rx on SSB it sound= s like a 1.5KHz bandpass =3Bfilter with the low and high end frequencie= s roll-in and outs' - Tells me its working pretty well and reasonable Q - o= f course the Decca really helps as its basically self protecting on fault c= onditions - a saving grace.
 =3B
Laurence
 =3B
From: g3kevmal@= talktalk.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tue=2C 23 Oct 201= 2 09:05:17 +0000
Subject: LF: Re: Heating up Brass question

Laurence
Avoid such problems on LF/MF =3Bby= using a=20 vertical system like an inv L etc. Loops do not attract me because of the=20 problems associated with high currents as you have stated 65 Amps !! One US= A=20 station some time back running QRO was talking about =3B90 Amps<= /div>
Big resonated loops are great for Rece= iving in the=20 chosen direction but I leave them alone for Transmitting
On the higher frequencies one wave len= gth loops for=20 the desired frequency are a different story.
De =3Bmalg3kev
 =3B
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Sent: Monday=2C October 22=2C 2012 11:09=20 PM
Subject: LF: Heating
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