Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5724638000094; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 10:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TLapC-0005lK-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:30:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TLapB-0005lB-VL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:30:21 +0100 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TLap9-0003Xh-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:30:20 +0100 Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q99EUCdG029486 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 10:30:12 -0400 Received: from core-dfd004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dfd004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.55.79]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 60609E00008B for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 10:30:12 -0400 (EDT) References: <8930C152-9B60-4F4B-8C5E-83B5D500D607@dk8kw.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8930C152-9B60-4F4B-8C5E-83B5D500D607@dk8kw.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37058-BASIC Received: from 194.138.39.61 by webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.40) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:30:07 -0400 Message-Id: <8CF7441B6E9D0FD-68C-206BC@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [194.138.39.61] Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 10:30:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1349793012; bh=9YI2hPH7DmQDd1HQuc2gBOSFPk8Ou63T0ha/gH9483o=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tLQDGEa3YmBheeoF6sM1ICi/75Evbs4XLNUY24t6K4E+oqPryUu0D1b7dNNi9IEPt HslnvTfQRyviLOOt95f8S87c94be8IegTDNmPBTSVf41EpqNw9e7QsGEfPD+tFDH+k qmtJrVyylrvtrI4IrEhw7zMM6qxD4omaAB8QlJ+E= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464241440:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Geri, not sure if that was really their big TX, looked more like a network analyzer to me. Unfortunately I haven't actually read off the fieldstrength last night, but from the brightness and the noiseblanking artifacts in the screenshots I'm sure they were radiating no more than a couple of watts. For impedance measurements on a big antenna, such power is probably needed to overcome received power from distant LF transmitters, which can easily be a watt or more.  Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.40 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -2.1 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 0cdfd8d5ce44f1724c623c4ac9f44df6 Subject: Re: LF: LF-Sweep 136.5 to 141.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF7441B6FF3D66_68C_71AE2_webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1da607507435364abf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF7441B6FF3D66_68C_71AE2_webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Geri,=C2=A0 not sure if that was really their big TX,=C2=A0looked more like a network a= nalyzer to me. Unfortunately I haven't actually read off the fieldstrength = last night, but from the brightness and the noiseblanking artifacts in the = screenshots I'm sure they were radiating no more than a couple of watts. Fo= r impedance measurements on a big antenna, such=C2=A0power is probably need= ed to overcome received=C2=A0power from distant LF transmitters, which can = easily be a watt or more. =C2=A0 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =C2=A0 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW geri@dk8kw.de An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Verschickt: Di, 9 Okt 2012 2:11 pm Betreff: Re: LF: LF-Sweep 136.5 to 141.5 Andrey,=20 =20 So obviously they used their main transmitter, perhaps with some reduced po= wer, =20 to do the antenna alignment. =20 =20 I haven't actually seen the transmitter in Burg but I had the opportunity = to =20 see the main DCF77 transmitter, and what I saw pretty much reminded me of m= y own =20 LF/MF station. No special technical solutions, just a big PA, an antenna cu= rrent =20 meter and a big variometer - that's all ...=20 =20 Vy 73=20 =20 Geri, now: OK/DK8KW=20 ... ----------MB_8CF7441B6FF3D66_68C_71AE2_webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Hi Geri,
 
not sure if that was really their big TX, looked more like a netw= ork analyzer to me. Unfortunately I haven't actually read off the fieldstre= ngth last night, but from the brightness and the noiseblanking artifacts in= the screenshots I'm sure they were radiating no more than a couple of watt= s. For impedance measurements on a big antenna, such power is probably= needed to overcome received power from distant LF transmitters, which= can easily be a watt or more.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW geri@d= k8kw.de
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 9 Okt 2012 2:11 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: LF-Sweep 136.5 to 141.5
Andrey=
, 

So obviously they used their main transmitter, perhaps with some reduced po= wer,
to do the antenna alignment.

I haven't actually seen the transmitter in Burg but I had the opportunity = to
see the main DCF77 transmitter, and what I saw pretty much reminded me of m= y own
LF/MF station. No special technical solutions, just a big PA, an antenna cu= rrent
meter and a big variometer - that's all ...

Vy 73

Geri, now: OK/DK8KW
...
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