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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Hideho, Thank you for your ideas. Yes, i'm using isolation transformers where ever i can. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -2.1 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 6be9408bcc63ba5aab6f1e66e2d5b7ce Subject: Re: LF: active antenna output termination? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4116507575c8539e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Hideho, Thank you for your ideas. Yes, i'm using isolation transformers where ever i can. The problem is nearly solved, at least i can now receive reasonably on=20 MF and LF to the same time. However i could make some improvements on=20 the LF RX design. It is all homemade and i learned a lot since that time = :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 10.10.2012 15:06, schrieb Hideho YAMAMURA: > Hello Stefan, > > Did you try feeding with battery ? > Also, an isolating-transformer between the power-feeder and RX ? > > I experienced 1-2dB drop of noise level with the battery, > and small improvement with the transformer. > (no IM experience though) > > Perhaps these may help you further finding the cause of your problem. > > 73s, > > Hideho YAMAMURA, JF1DMQ > > > > Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> Thank you Claudio, >> >> I will consider that when the probe is down from the roof next. There=20 >> are a few dB in reserve, i'm still far away from the RX noise. >> But now it looks much better! Still some IM but only a little. Taking=20 >> into account that AFN is arround, that's a positive result. >> If there would be oscillations on the output of the probe, then i=20 >> would see them across the 50 Ohm resistor in the shack, at full=20 >> amplitude, right? >> >> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >> >> >> Am 09.10.2012 15:26, schrieb Claudio Pozzi: >> >>> >>> The emitter follower transistor have a very low output impedance, no=20 >>> problems >>> for receiving purpose but... if you use a long coaxial cable you=20 >>> connect a >>> capacitance of about 100 pF/meter between output and ground. The=20 >>> circuit can >>> become unstable and oscillate, I found that a 27 or 33 ohm resistor=20 >>> in series >>> to the output help to kill the oscillation and the signal loss is a=20 >>> little >>> less than 6 dB (voltage, 3dB power). >>> >>> I's a good practice to put a few ohm resistor in series at the low=20 >>> impedance >>> output devices (OP-AMP, emitter follower, 74HCxxx buffers etc)=20 >>> driving a >>> capacitive load to prevent oscillation. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Claudio, ik2pii >>> >> >> >> > > >