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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, Did you try feeding with battery ? Also, an isolating-transformer between the power-feeder and RX ? I experienced 1-2dB drop of noise level with the battery, and small improvement with the transformer. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : nifty.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41155075739f6592 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Stefan, Did you try feeding with battery ? Also, an isolating-transformer between the power-feeder and RX ? I experienced 1-2dB drop of noise level with the battery, and small improvement with the transformer. (no IM experience though) Perhaps these may help you further finding the cause of your problem. 73s, Hideho YAMAMURA, JF1DMQ Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Thank you Claudio, >=20 > I will consider that when the probe is down from the roof next. There=20 > are a few dB in reserve, i'm still far away from the RX noise. > But now it looks much better! Still some IM but only a little. Taking=20 > into account that AFN is arround, that's a positive result. > If there would be oscillations on the output of the probe, then i would= =20 > see them across the 50 Ohm resistor in the shack, at full amplitude, ri= ght? >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 >=20 > Am 09.10.2012 15:26, schrieb Claudio Pozzi: >=20 >> >> The emitter follower transistor have a very low output impedance, no=20 >> problems >> for receiving purpose but... if you use a long coaxial cable you=20 >> connect a >> capacitance of about 100 pF/meter between output and ground. The=20 >> circuit can >> become unstable and oscillate, I found that a 27 or 33 ohm resistor in= =20 >> series >> to the output help to kill the oscillation and the signal loss is a li= ttle >> less than 6 dB (voltage, 3dB power). >> >> I's a good practice to put a few ohm resistor in series at the low=20 >> impedance >> output devices (OP-AMP, emitter follower, 74HCxxx buffers etc) driving= a >> capacitive load to prevent oscillation. >> >> 73 >> >> Claudio, ik2pii >> >> =20 >=20 >=20 >=20