Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2C58B380000AB; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TLI4j-0004d5-Ox for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:29:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TLI4j-0004cw-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:29:09 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TLI4h-0007s8-Nc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:29:08 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q98IT6SL020594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:29:07 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q98IT6qb020186 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:29:06 +0200 Message-ID: <50731B6C.2060506@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:29:00 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF, Another question just comes up here: Actually a coax cable must be terminated with its impedance at the ends, i.e. 50 Ohm for a RG58 cable. Otherwise there are standing waves or travelling waves which can cause to the RX or TX. [...] Content analysis details: (-4.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -2.1 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: LF: active antenna output termination? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d750731bc2658a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF, Another question just comes up here: Actually a coax cable must be terminated with its impedance at the ends, i.e. 50 Ohm for a RG58 cable. Otherwise there are standing waves or travelling waves which can cause to the RX or TX. On LF and MF we say that the wire length is always short compared to lambda. But what happens on a wideband RX antenna, which works up to several MHz? The length of the coax between my RX and the output of the active antenna is about 30m. This is lambda/4 for 2.5 MHz.... So why do many active antenna circuits have an output impedance that is nearly 0 ? No problems to be expected from this? A 50 Ohm cable which is terminated with 50 Ohm at the end (here the RX) appears to the TX (here the output stage of the active antenna ) as an endless long cable or simply as a 50 Ohm load. So nothing will be reflected. Matching on the output stage is not interesting because there is no RF beeing radiated from the RX. Is this the correct explanation? This would be in contrast to a transceiver and antenna where the antenna appears as the TX for the RX and the antenna is the RX for the TX or in other words both are source and sink. Have i answered my question by myselfe or are there other things that must be mentioned? I'm asking basic questions which may appear trivial. But i bet not everyone can answer them :-) ...just measured the output impedance of my active antenna and found that it is nearly 0, i.e. the output voltage does remain nearly constant when connecting a 50 Ohm load. So i thought it could help to switch a 47 Ohm R in series but this lowers the signal levels by 6 dB... 73, Stefan/DK7FC