Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F1C363800009F; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TOFF9-0005Tx-Ss for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:04:07 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TOFF9-0005To-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:04:07 +0100 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TOFF6-0007JX-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:04:06 +0100 Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q9GM3peY004693 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:03:51 -0400 Received: from White (nrbg-4dbfa7d9.pool.mediaWays.net [77.191.167.217]) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 9B95EE00008B for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4BFEB0320D3840B6B88F2125BA0ECAEF@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <507D5247.5040100@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <3clq785amof88d6frrqe43vdhflt34h0p1@4ax.com> <507D57F6.7090809@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <507D5F1D.1060007@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <507D9B44.4020803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <507D9D8F.9010904@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:59:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1350425031; bh=yw6ou1eaXFMs2Cc3ISj8T3z1w29s9QO6OuYwLVoC/zI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GTNMrxkNjV0s7Oh2nXxfTyaLJ950b3kL0hsv5LvONtYMbhwY9uxZQSVAR+hAU1zAN nRl3glVBMagOaWOhxPqGa6GXaAt9M2yGTDk/fMcpwIc9OWe3o4PTOzulQiXwIJjuOf c38YiZ2i6CTdrRaCXxk765Jt5LyS600kxYbGUiFI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444074176:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > where are you? :-) ... 20 Hz above you ;-) Yesterday I finally got WSPR 2.11 working in IQ-mode with the FiFi-SDR on MF. Today I changed back to LF (which is 0.1355 MHz dial and 2000 Hz BFO here) and got fine decodes, but no uploads, with a persistant error message "frequency changed no upload of spots". Tried all sorts of different settings (which is time consuming) but didn't succeed - anyone out there who has seen and solved this? Now back to WSPR 2.0 with same parameters, running just fine. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.41 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: eaf2c94dead786101818a7a2aa96a4c4 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR on LF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CDABFA.536F28E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dh03.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4117507dda5e3c6d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CDABFA.536F28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > where are you? :-) ... 20 Hz above you ;-) Yesterday I finally got WSPR 2.11 working in IQ-mode with the FiFi-SDR = on MF. Today I changed back to LF (which is 0.1355 MHz dial and 2000 Hz = BFO here) and got fine decodes, but no uploads, with a persistant error = message "frequency changed no upload of spots". Tried all sorts of = different settings (which is time consuming) but didn't succeed - anyone = out there who has seen and solved this? Now back to WSPR 2.0 with same = parameters, running just fine. Yesterday one neighbour had a nearby large pine tree chopped off, and = now I find my antenna current boosted from 3.4 to 4.1 amps!=20 Frequent DF6NM grabber watchers are probably familiar with a QRM line = which appeared on 136.9 kHz same hours each day. A portable RX pointed = towards a source in one other neighbour's house, and last weekend I = finally found the courage to knock on their door. When I mentioned the = regular on and off times, my neighbour identified the flourescent lights = of her fish tank! She allowed me to fix it, and I found a chopper based = on a "smart controller" chip (Infineon ICB1FL02G), running at 45.6 kHz = fundamental. Changing a frequency-setting resistor to push the beast to = 41.5 kHz, plus retrofitting a three-wire cable and plug, cleared this = one for good. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:46 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR on LF Oh yes, let us all make a MEGA activity on LF tonite, just like the last = weekend on MF. That was really fine and impressing for all involved, i=20 assume. Markus, Albert, Roland, Roger, Eddie, where are you? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.10.2012 19:37, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: > LF, > > Does someone join in on LF WSPR? There are many active RX stations!=20 > Eddie/G3ZJO, what about you? Your results have been good on MF. On LF=20 > the ERP will be 10 dB lower (ish) if the TX pwr is the same but i=20 > expect that you will have quite good chances in the groundwave range. > > There is a very high LF/MF and digimode appliance operator density in=20 > the UK ;-) Also in Germany and the Netherlands and France. It looks=20 > like we (these countries) make the highest density of active LF/MF=20 > amateurs in the world, except Tokyo city of course :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 16.10.2012 15:48, schrieb George Szymanski: >> You never know Stefan I might get a weak trace from you overnight! >> >> I'm too stupid to use Spec lab! >> I will try the Twente receiver but my internet is so very slow it >> might not work well enough. >> >> 73 de George, DU1GM >> >> >> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:20:29 +0200, you wrote: >> >>> Hi George, >>> >>> There is no chance for you to display normal WSPR from me over that >>> distance in a spectrogram. Maybe you could display WSPR-32 but this = is >>> still to optimistic i think. We really have to start in something = like >>> QRSS-120 or DFCW-180 and then see what comes out. >>> >>> I have no idea how to set Argo for optimal displaying DFCW-180 since = i >>> don't use the new version of the program. Furthermore i am very >>> convinced by using Spectrum Lab for LF/MF detection. Yes, the=20 >>> program is >>> much more complex but it offers some essential features! The band >>> limiting and noise blanking will reduce the QRN very significantly! = The >>> improvement can vary from a few to 10 dB, depending on the kind of >>> noise. I will try to generate a new spectrogram soon, showing this=20 >>> effect. >>> I don't know if Argo allows noise cancelling. But if you loose say 6 = dB >>> SNR, that makes a difference from invisible to O copy. >>> >>> Did you try the Twente WEB SDR link i sent you? This is also useful = to >>> check if the reference signal you're using is available at present. = I'm >>> daily listening to AM BCD stns for many hours a day :-) >>> >>> As said, if you like i can give you some advice how to run a = DCF-plot. >>> >>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC >>> >>> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CDABFA.536F28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> where are=20 you? :-)
... 20 Hz above you ;-)
 
Yesterday I finally got WSPR 2.11 = working in=20 IQ-mode with the FiFi-SDR on MF. Today I changed back to LF (which = is=20 0.1355 MHz dial and 2000 Hz BFO here) and got fine decodes, but no = uploads, with=20 a persistant error message "frequency changed no upload of spots".=20 Tried all sorts of different settings (which is time consuming) but = didn't=20 succeed - anyone out there who has seen and solved = this? Now back to=20 WSPR 2.0 with same parameters, running just fine.
 
Yesterday one neighbour had a nearby = large pine=20 tree chopped off, and now I find my antenna current boosted from 3.4 to = 4.1=20 amps!
 
Frequent DF6NM = grabber watchers=20 are probably familiar with a QRM line which appeared on 136.9 kHz same = hours=20 each day. A portable RX pointed towards a source in one other=20 neighbour's house, and last weekend I finally found the courage to knock = on=20 their door. When I mentioned the regular on and off times, my=20 neighbour identified the flourescent lights of her fish tank! She = allowed me to=20 fix it, and I found a chopper based on a "smart controller" chip = (Infineon=20 ICB1FL02G), running at 45.6 kHz fundamental. Changing a = frequency-setting=20 resistor to push the beast to 41.5 kHz, plus retrofitting a three-wire = cable and=20 plug, cleared this one for good.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:46 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR on LF

Oh yes, let us all make a MEGA activity on LF tonite, = just like=20 the last
weekend on MF. That was really fine and impressing for all=20 involved, i
assume.

Markus, Albert, Roland, Roger, Eddie, = where are=20 you? :-)


73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 16.10.2012 19:37, = schrieb=20 Stefan Sch=E4fer:
> LF,
>
> Does someone join in on LF = WSPR?=20 There are many active RX stations!
> Eddie/G3ZJO, what about you? = Your=20 results have been good on MF. On LF
> the ERP will be 10 dB lower = (ish)=20 if the TX pwr is the same but i
> expect that you will have quite = good=20 chances in the groundwave range.
>
> There is a very high = LF/MF and=20 digimode appliance operator density in
> the UK ;-) Also in = Germany and=20 the Netherlands and France. It looks
> like we (these countries) = make the=20 highest density of active LF/MF
> amateurs in the world, except = Tokyo=20 city of course :-)
>
> 73, = Stefan/DK7FC
>
>
> Am=20 16.10.2012 15:48, schrieb George Szymanski:
>> You never know = Stefan I=20 might get a weak trace from you overnight!
>>
>> I'm = too=20 stupid to use Spec lab!
>> I will try the Twente receiver but = my=20 internet is so very slow it
>> might not work well=20 enough.
>>
>> 73 de George,=20 DU1GM
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:20:29 = +0200,=20 you wrote:
>>
>>> Hi=20 George,
>>>
>>> There is no chance for you to = display=20 normal WSPR from me over that
>>> distance in a spectrogram. = Maybe=20 you could display WSPR-32 but this is
>>> still to = optimistic i=20 think. We really have to start in something like
>>> = QRSS-120 or=20 DFCW-180 and then see what comes out.
>>>
>>> I = have no=20 idea how to set Argo for optimal displaying DFCW-180 since = i
>>>=20 don't use the new version of the program. Furthermore i am = very
>>>=20 convinced by using Spectrum Lab for LF/MF detection. Yes, the =
>>>=20 program is
>>> much more complex but it offers some = essential=20 features! The band
>>> limiting and noise blanking will = reduce the=20 QRN very significantly! The
>>> improvement can vary from a = few to=20 10 dB, depending on the kind of
>>> noise.  I will try = to=20 generate a new spectrogram soon, showing this
>>>=20 effect.
>>> I don't know if Argo allows noise cancelling. = But if you=20 loose say 6 dB
>>> SNR, that makes a difference from = invisible to O=20 copy.
>>>
>>> Did you try the Twente WEB SDR = link i sent=20 you? This is also useful to
>>> check if the reference = signal you're=20 using is available at present. I'm
>>> daily listening to AM = BCD=20 stns for many hours a day :-)
>>>
>>> As said, = if you=20 like i can give you some advice how to run a=20 DCF-plot.
>>>
>>> 73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
>>>
>>>

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