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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan you do not need a rotator. As I said orientate the vert loop in the desired direction for DX and there will also be sufficient capture of signals in the local environment. If I had this mast I could educate it for my requirements. What is the problem!! 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As I said orientate the vert loop in the = desired direction for DX and there will also be sufficient capture of = signals in the local environment. If I had this mast I could educate it = for my requirements. What is the problem!! g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: QSP from DK7PE: 2nd DK0SWF Activity October 13/14, = 2012 Am 11.10.2012 18:11, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 [...]=20 Instead of a totally vertical antenna suspend a full size one = wavelength loop for both TX and RX. orientated in the desired direction. A brilliant idea. A full size loop for 630m, i assume you mean a vertical loop, has a = diameter of 200m. I suggest to use this rotor: = http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7206/motorzv4.jpg :-) 73, Stefan If I had a large tower available like the one described I would not = have a problem either on TX or RX 73 GL de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:16 AM Subject: Re: LF: QSP from DK7PE: 2nd DK0SWF Activity October = 13/14, 2012 Hi Holger,=20 Thanks for the information/update! Nice to know that they are = proceeding and they obviously know what to do :-) The idea with the VHF link is very good but maybe they only need = to detune the TX antenna to get much better results. This can be done by = a RX/TX relais (22k (ish) resistor across that). Will they try that? = Maybe they can reduce the needed efforts... Using Twente SDR is of = course another idea for a separated RX but it may be to far during the = time the band is still closed or to copy weak local stations... Unfortunately i am not in Heidelberg this weekend :-( 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 11.10.2012 06:31, schrieb Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW:=20 DK0SWF second DARC Mainz 630m operation Sat. Oct. 13th until = 14th 2012 Members of the DARC group Mainz/Germany will be operating again = on 630m during the coming weekend! They will use a full quarter wave = commercial verical! They will startSaturday, Oct. 13th around 16:00 UTC, = staying on the air until Sunday 14th around 06:00 UTC. This time they = will try different receiving antenna types, hoping to improve the = receiving capabilities.=20 For example, they will also use a better receiver (now R&S EK70) = plus a specially designed rx/tx filter, a 472 kHz receiving loop and a = second (10km separated) receiving station, linked via VHF.=20 Please listen for them on 473,500 kHz for any cq calls. They = will also use 472,500 kHz temporarily but rather like to keep this one = free for other users. QSX on other frequencies (e.g. between 501 and 503 = kHz or even cross-band 80m) will be announced.=20 They are looking forward to work some more of the active 630m = stations in EU. Receiving reports and any helpful comments are most = welcome via eMail dk0swf@gmx.de The DK0SWF Team=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CDA7D7.03721DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Stefan
you do not need a rotator. As I said orientate = the vert=20 loop in the desired direction for DX and there will also be sufficient = capture=20 of signals in the local environment. If I had this mast I could educate = it for=20 my requirements.
What is the problem!!
 
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2012 5:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: QSP from = DK7PE: 2nd=20 DK0SWF Activity October 13/14, 2012


Am 11.10.2012 18:11, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
[...]=20
Instead of a totally vertical antenna = suspend a full=20 size one wavelength loop for both TX and RX. orientated in the = desired=20 direction.
A brilliant idea.
A full size = loop for=20 630m, i assume you mean a vertical loop, has a diameter of 200m. I = suggest to=20 use this rotor: http://img5= 20.imageshack.us/img520/7206/motorzv4.jpg=20 :-)


73, Stefan



If I had a large tower available like the = one=20 described I would not have a problem either on TX or RX
73 GL de G3KEV
 
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent:=20 Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:16 AM Subject:=20 Re: LF: QSP from DK7PE: 2nd DK0SWF Activity October 13/14, = 2012

Hi Holger,

Thanks for the = information/update! Nice=20 to know that they are proceeding and they obviously know what to = do=20 :-)

The idea with the VHF link is very good but maybe they = only=20 need to detune the TX antenna to get much better results. This can = be done=20 by a RX/TX relais (22k (ish) resistor across that). Will they try = that?=20 Maybe they can reduce the needed efforts... Using Twente SDR is of = course=20 another idea for a separated RX but it may be to far during the = time the=20 band is still closed or to copy weak local=20 stations...

Unfortunately i am not in Heidelberg this = weekend=20 :-(

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 11.10.2012 06:31, = schrieb Holger=20 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW:=20

DK0SWF second DARC=20 Mainz 630m = operation Sat.=20 Oct. 13th until = 14th 2012

Members of the DARC = group=20 Mainz/Germany will be operating again on 630m during the coming = weekend!=20 They will use a full quarter wave commercial verical! They will = startSaturday, Oct. 13th around = 16:00=20 UTC, staying on the air until Sunday 14th around 06:00 UTC. = This time=20 they will try different receiving antenna types, hoping to = improve the=20 receiving capabilities. 

For example, they will = also use a=20 better receiver (now R&S EK70) plus a specially designed = rx/tx=20 filter, a 472 kHz receiving loop and a second (10km separated) = receiving=20 station, linked via VHF. 

Please listen for them = on 473,500=20 kHz for any cq calls. They will also use 472,500 kHz temporarily = but=20 rather like to keep this one free for other users. QSX on other=20 frequencies (e.g. between 501 and 503 kHz or even cross-band = 80m) will=20 be announced. 

They are looking forward = to work=20 some more of the active 630m stations in EU. Receiving reports = and any=20 helpful comments are most welcome via eMail dk0swf@gmx.de

The DK0SWF Team 

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