Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1B6E5380000B1; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 12:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TAk5F-0007h0-Pq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:10:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TAk5F-0007gr-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:10:05 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TAk5C-0000xr-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:10:04 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.9.118]) by mwinf5d10 with ME id x4A11j00L2Yo5Yq034A1vn; Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:10:02 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <12fe8.4c562f1.3d7d1434@aol.com> <504BC546.2000105@gmail.com> <4C2DCE93-0E21-440E-80E9-7E10DBA97FEB@dk8kw.de> <504BF2AB.1060306@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <504BF2AB.1060306@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 17:10:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If you think that was a bad show, you should of tried introducing DATA to 500 , everything from news group spamming to on air jamming took place , it was going to be the end of the world as 'we knew it JIM' even when the band was totally unused , any sign of pattering on the grabbers caused by the evil dispersal algorithm's was met with a volley of cw-cq's and shouts of pirate , due to making test broadcasts .. who would of though experimentation was such fun ! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4a8faa6952847c1ec651f883b63fc053 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: DK0SWF antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015A_01CD8EAD.F299E230" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d6504cc72766bb X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01CD8EAD.F299E230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you think that was a bad show, you should of tried introducing = DATA to 500 , everything from news group spamming to on air = jamming took place , it was going to be the end of the world as = 'we knew it JIM' even when the band was totally unused , any sign = of pattering on the grabbers caused by the evil dispersal = algorithm's was met with a volley of cw-cq's and shouts of = pirate , due to making test broadcasts .. who would of though = experimentation was such fun !=20 However as time passed , the end results are now being used = extensively on LF and MF : ) =20 G...=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:36 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: DK0SWF antenna That's it, Geri! We are coming from LF to MF, so MF is not that spectacular. But if = you're coming from HF to MF, that must be much more exciting and new to = explore such a "low" band wher all the stuff "must" be homemade. If they will write a report about their experiment and results, they = will cause more interest for others, which makes the band even more = alive. So the results can only be positive, even without 100s of QSOs. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.09.2012 00:47, schrieb Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW:=20 John, A WSPR transmission for the same length of time would gather much = more usefuly information than calling CQ with no hope of hearing any = replies? I think it all depends on what we expect to get out of our amateur = radio activity. What would a WSPR signal reveal other than that what = everybody who ever had talked to the marine guys already knew: that a MF = signal can be heard a few thousand miles away.=20 Here we have a group of people setting up a fieldday station under = less than optimal conditions, not experienced with MF operation at all = yet - and had trouble to receive - so what? How long did it take us = "experienced" guys to be where we are today? Did it really kill some = 'valuable' QSOs tonight that we will never have another chance to have = again? Just relax, the band is still there tomorrow, sooner or later we = will all have contacted each other numerous times, in CW, WSPR, QRSS or = whatever mode.=20 By the way: I had a QSO with Bert, DF2PI who was operating DK0SWF this = evening, and I was able to hear and feel his excitement to explore a new = band. Did we all forget on how we started, on how we had to make our own = experiences when we began and what fun we had? 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01CD8EAD.F299E230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you  think that  was a  bad show, you  = should =20 of tried  introducing  DATA to  500 ,  = everything =20 from news group  spamming  to on air =  jamming =20 took place , it was  going to  be the  end of the  = world=20 as  'we knew it  JIM'  even  when the  band was = totally  unused , any  sign  of  pattering  on=20 the  grabbers caused by the  evil =20 dispersal   algorithm's  was met  with a=20 volley  of    cw-cq's  and shouts  = of  pirate=20 , due to  making  test broadcasts  .. who  would = of =20 though  experimentation  was such fun !
 
However  as time  passed ,  the  end  = results  are now  being  used  extensively  on = LF=20 and  MF  : ) 
 
G...

From: Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: DK0SWF = antenna

That's it, Geri!

We are coming from LF to MF, so = MF is not=20 that spectacular. But if you're coming from HF to MF, that must be much = more=20 exciting and new to explore such a "low" band wher all the stuff "must" = be=20 homemade.
If they will write a report about their experiment and = results,=20 they will cause more interest for others, which makes the band even more = alive.=20 So the results can only be positive, even without 100s of = QSOs.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.09.2012 00:47, schrieb Holger 'Geri' DK8KW = DI2BO W1KW:=20
John,

 A WSPR = transmission=20 for the same length of time would gather much more usefuly = information than=20 calling CQ with no hope of hearing any = replies?

I think it all depends on what we expect to get out of = our=20 amateur radio activity. What would a WSPR signal reveal other than = that what=20 everybody who ever had talked to the marine guys already knew: that a = MF=20 signal can be heard a few thousand miles away. 

Here we have a group of people setting up a fieldday station = under less=20 than optimal conditions, not experienced with MF operation at all yet = - and=20 had trouble to receive - so what? How long did it take us = "experienced" guys=20 to be where we are today? Did it really kill some 'valuable' QSOs = tonight that=20 we will never have another chance to have again? Just relax, the band = is still=20 there tomorrow, sooner or later we will all have contacted each other = numerous=20 times, in CW, WSPR, QRSS or whatever mode. 

By the way: I had a QSO with Bert, DF2PI who was operating DK0SWF = this=20 evening, and I was able to hear and feel his excitement to explore a = new=20 band.

Did we all forget on how we started, on how we had to make our = own=20 experiences when we began and what fun we had?

73

Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO

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