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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi to all, it is true what OPERA mode is "secret", but, I think, it is better than WSPR for semplicity: on-off carrier , no time synchronisation required (then it is possible to made a simple beacon stand alone).. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.149.158.32 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.1 MISSING_MID Missing Message-Id: header X-Scan-Signature: 4d97240a623a26620214cd27feaa9f71 Message-Id: Subject: Re: LF: slow WSPR? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a504ef7511f67 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi to all, it is true what OPERA mode is "secret", but, I=20 think, it is better than WSPR for semplicity:=20 on-off carrier , no time synchronisation required=20 (then it is possible to made a simple beacon stand alone).. I read in this goup what DF6NM Markus is working=20 around a "indipendent" decoding software ... (" .... I'm still working on the receive side,=20 and the first results using coherent correlation=20 have been very promising. MArkus") If this will be, maybe the "solution" of OPERA "problems" ??? 73 de Mauro IK1WVQ At 10.07 11/09/12, Roger Lapthorn wrote: >Stefan, > >Maybe it is worth approaching K1JT with a=20 >suggestion/request that a slower version of WSPR be created? > >It has been several years since WSPR was first=20 >released (2008) and there is a lot of sense in a=20 >version with even better S/N performance. WSPR=20 >still has better Internet database support than=20 >OPERA and is not "secret" in the way the latter is. > >73s >Roger G3XBM > >-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- > >On 11 Sep 2012, at 00:09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 > wrote: > > > It's a pity that there is no slow-WSPR, e.g.=20 > needing 32 minutes or so. If WSPR (2 minutes=20 > FSK) is about as efficient as OP8 ( i heared=20 > so), then it should be a real alternative to=20 > the slow DX modes on LF but not on MF! > > > > There is a software that plays recorded audio=20 > files in a faster mode, so that QRSS becomes=20 > audible. VE2IQ has reported to me last year=20 > about it but i don't remember the name. > > > > Would it be possible to make our own slow=20 > WSPR by using that software and playing a 32=20 > minute manipulated WSPR at 16x speed, feeding=20 > it to the normal WSPR rx software? The slower=20 > code could be generated outside the program.=20 > Would that be a useful test or do i miss something? > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > Am 10.09.2012 19:26, schrieb Graham: > >> May be Mal > >> > >> But once again Jim has the answer to=20 > this problem ..if you can find=20 > his articles after Google trashed the uk500khz news group , > >> > >> I think Jose R predicts a 6 dB=20 > gain by changing to PSK from the=20 > Opera on/off keying but that would prevent most of the LH/MF= usage > >> > >> G.. > >> > > > > >Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. >Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com >Versione: 9.0.930 / Database dei virus:=20 >2437.1.1/5261 - Data di rilascio: 09/10/12 20:34:00