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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks Stefan - it will be a couple of weeks to get to full power as these trees cant stand the weight of the cables.... :-( I need to grow something quick! Id say, from my limited experiences its actually easier path at 137 - maybe easier isnt the word to be used but my 477/505 openings that have been very long haul were fleeting and often not repeatable whereas, as a known example XDW experimental made it from Oklahoma to ZL for quite a few nights/months in a row on 137 on a lot of land path...and so far Ive not seen a signal from AK to VK or ZL on 477/505 though I dont think they have been whizzing the electrical meter as much. But I need to take more notice of their Thursday evening test signals they shove out. Looking at the results of a few years of reception it appears that 137 has been "better" but Its very difficult to match as its "apples to pears" in reality with different s/n and antennae patterns etc. Even though I was a radio op (I wouldnt call myself an officer!) at sea/coast station and used 500 a lot I still feel like a novice :-) this land stuff gets in the way pretty quickly, and we are pretty sure intervening mountain ranges mid path such as those near me and North China/India /Tibet do rough up the wave fronts at times....I know they do at VLF... Laurence KL1X Wasilla Alaska"you can see Russia from my back door" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:02:11 +0200 From: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Re: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752, DCF39 appears [...] Content analysis details: (-0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.45 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hellozerohellozero[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a3a1dfa33e290fbc5bf9437ae2cb4207 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e24d92bc-ae53-42fe-b31e-fdcd6e9e6a3d_" Subject: RE: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752, DCF39 appears X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4091504fd8e72159 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_e24d92bc-ae53-42fe-b31e-fdcd6e9e6a3d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Stefan - it will be a couple of weeks to get to full power as these = trees cant stand the weight of the cables.... :-( I need to grow something= quick! Id say=2C from my limited experiences its actually easier path at 1= 37 - maybe easier isnt the word to be used but my 477/505 openings that hav= e been very long haul were fleeting and often not repeatable whereas=2C as = a known example XDW experimental made it from Oklahoma to ZL for quite a fe= w nights/months in a row on 137 on a lot of land path...and so far Ive not = seen a signal from AK to VK or ZL on 477/505 though I dont think they have = been whizzing the electrical meter as much. But I need to take more notice = of their Thursday evening test signals they shove out. Looking at the resu= lts of a few years of reception it appears that 137 has been "better" but I= ts very difficult to match as its "apples to pears" in reality with differe= nt s/n and antennae patterns etc. Even though I was a radio op (I wouldnt c= all myself an officer!) at sea/coast station and used 500 a lot I still fee= l like a novice :-) this land stuff gets in the way pretty quickly=2C and w= e are pretty sure intervening mountain ranges mid path such as those near m= e and North China/India /Tibet do rough up the wave fronts at times....I kn= ow they do at VLF... Laurence KL1X Wasilla Alaska"you can see Russia from m= y back door" Date: Wed=2C 12 Sep 2012 01:02:11 +0200 From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=3B edgarjtwining@virginbroadband.com.au Subject: Re: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752=2C DCF39 appears =20 Laurence=2C=20 Let me forward that to Edgar in Tasmania who may have a look at your signals. He also catched me out of the noise. Your path would be http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=3DBP51IP&from=3DQE37PD Not a short distance but almost completely over sea water and the common dark times are higher than for me. Do you have an imagination how much easier it is to be copied in AK on 477=2C compared to 137? 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC Am 12.09.2012 00:53=2C schrieb Laurence KL7UK: =20 Markus - good news is that Im just about finished testing the HP3336B sig gen locked to the 10MHZ GPS ref=2C which will directly drive the Decca at 137.XXX signal freq. The PSU and hopefully the tuner are continuously rated but Ill probably choke it back to 400-500W RF to save the complaining squirrels. =20 Im hoping this will be good enough for a long term overnight "go" when I finish the loop antennae=2C though this wont happen now till the first week in Oct. There is no path to Europe as such at the moment - well its really dodgy but the path to VK and ZL would be pretty good at the moment given past signal receptions from ZL6QH et al. =20 Given past openings to Europe during the deepest part of Winter (Dec and Jan) Pre dawn Eu say 0400Z was the best with Peter LDO/DF6NM/G3AQC/DK7FC but Stefan managed to get to Alaska at around 1600Z too. I cant recall receiving any ham signals on 137/500 before December - but SM6BHZ may have made it over the pole earlier on 500 on WSPR in Nov. Im getting built around so the s/n is getting marginally worse - but thankfully to the North is just a lake. =20 Laurence KL1 X WE2XPQ =20 =20 From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Date: Sun=2C 2 Sep 2012 18:15:18 +0200 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752=2C DCF39 appears =20 =20 Laurence=2C=20 =20 I'd be interested to see whether XPQ could be detected in a microHz spectrogram here=2C either on Chris' grabber in Bucharest http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/lfgrabber.htm or mine in Nuernberg. Can you give your exact frequency=2C and could you transmit a stable uninterrupted carrier for a couple of hours? We've been seeing narrow traces from US East coast stations before=2C but I wonder how much effect transpolar Doppler could have. =20 Is DCF-39 really as strong as 25 dB in 100 Hz=2C ie. 45 dB/Hz=2C or would that be in 0.1 Hz? What are the best hours? =20 Best 73=2C Markus (DF6NM) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Laurence KL7UK=20 Sent: Sunday=2C September 02=2C 2012 4:21 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 Subject: LF: DCF39 appears =20 =20 =20 =20 Nice to see DCF39 appearing on QRSS this evening over the Pole. Ive not seen it since Spring here in Alaska. About 25dB noise in 100Hz (ish units). Not dark yet either=2C =20 Laurence KL1X WE2XPQ Wasilla AK =20 =20 =20 From: Laurence KL7UK =20 Sent: Sunday=2C September 02=2C 2012 2:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =3B lowfer@mailman.qth.net=20 Subject: LF: XPQ =20 =20 =20 Further testing on 137.7752 ish carrier only ongoing - still in shakedown mode but sweeps of individual 400w Modules show the same resonance and output parameters from 2005 :-) =20 http://kl7uk.com/XPQ2.jpg =20 Set up in garage. =20 Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla Alaska =20 =20 From: Laurence KL7UK =20 Sent: Thursday=2C August 30=2C 2012 6:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =3B lowfer@mailman.qth.net =20 Subject: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752 =20 =20 =20 =20 A little bit of Nostalgia - WE2XPQ Wasilla Alaska is very intermittently testing on 137.7752 DFCW various speeds and the odd bit of QRSS - Power will be up to 2W ERP but is to be confirmed.=20 =20 Periods of operations=2C modes and powers will vary as Im trying to remember all the ins and outs of why I installed 'X" relay to do a "Y" function as its been 7 years or so. =20 Transmitter for the moment is the Decca 5501=2C drivers are FT817 h/b transverter=2C Loop with around 100m circumference at 50ft or so and phase meter. The Birch trees bend a lot more than the OKie Cottonwoods so not sure how much detuning will happen as thing become more slack or as the trees become snow laden -=20 =20 Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla Palmer Alaska BP51IP =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 = --_e24d92bc-ae53-42fe-b31e-fdcd6e9e6a3d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Stefan - it will be a couple =3Bof weeks to get to full power as= these trees cant stand the weight of the cables.... :-( =3B I need to = grow something quick!
 =3B
Id say=2C from my limited experiences&= nbsp=3Bits actually =3Beasier =3Bpath at 137 - maybe easier =3B= isnt the word to be used but my 477/505 openings that have been very long h= aul were fleeting and often not repeatable whereas=2C as a known example XD= W =3Bexperimental made it from Oklahoma to ZL for quite a few nights/mo= nths in a row on 137 on a lot of land path...and so far Ive not seen a sign= al from AK to VK or ZL on 477/505 though I dont think they have been whizzi= ng the electrical meter as much. But I need to take more notice of their Th= ursday evening test signals they shove out.
 =3B
 =3BLooking&= nbsp=3Bat the results of a few years of reception it appears that 137 = =3Bhas been "better" but Its =3Bvery difficult to match as its "apples = to pears" in reality with different s/n and antennae patterns etc.
 = =3B
Even though I was a radio op (I wouldnt call =3Bmyself an office= r!) =3Bat sea/coast station =3Band used 500 a lot I still feel like= a novice :-) this land stuff gets in the way pretty quickly=2C and we are = pretty sure intervening mountain ranges mid path such as those =3Bnear = me and North China/India /Tibet do rough up the wave fronts at times....I k= now they do at VLF...
 =3B
Laurence KL1X Wasilla Alaska
"you c= an see Russia from my back =3Bdoor"
 =3B
Date: Wed=2C 12 Sep 2012 01:= 02:11 +0200
From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org=3B edgarjtwining@virginbroadband.com.au
Subject: Re:= LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752=2C DCF39 appears

=20 Laurence=2C

Let me forward that to Edgar in Tasmania who may have a look at your signals. He also catched me out of the noise. Your path would be http://no.nonsense.ee/= qthmap/?qth=3DBP51IP&=3Bfrom=3DQE37PD
Not a short distance but almost completely over sea water and the common dark times are higher than for me.

Do you have an imagination how much easier it is to be copied in AK on 477=2C compared to 137?

73=2C Stefan/DK7FC

Am 12.09.2012 00:53=2C schrieb Laurence KL7UK:
Markus - good news is that Im just about finished testing the HP3336B sig gen locked to the 10MHZ GPS ref=2C which will directly drive the Decca at 137.XXX =3Bsignal freq. The PSU and hopeful= ly the tuner are continuously rated but Ill probably choke it back to 400-500W RF to save the complaining squirrels.
 =3B
 =3BIm hoping this will be good enough for a long term overnight "go" w= hen I finish the loop antennae=2C though this wont happen now till the =3Bf= irst week in Oct. There is no path to Europe as such at the moment - well its really dodgy =3Bbut the path to VK and ZL would be pretty =3Bgo= od at the moment given past signal receptions from ZL6QH et al.
 =3B
Given past openings to Europe during the deepest part of Winter (Dec and Jan) Pre dawn Eu say 0400Z =3Bwas the best with Peter LDO/DF6NM/G3AQC/DK7FC but Stefan =3Bmanaged to get to Alaska at around 1600Z too. I cant recall receiving any ham signals on 137/500 before December - but SM6BHZ may have made it over the pole earlier on 500 on WSPR in Nov. Im getting built around =3Bso the s/n is getting marginall= y worse - but thankfully to the North is just a lake.
 =3B
Laurence KL1 X =3B WE2XPQ
 =3B
From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
CC: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Date: Sun=2C 2 Sep 2012 18:15:18 +0200
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752=2C DCF39 appears

Laurence=2C
 =3B
I'd be interested to see whether XPQ could be detected =3Bin a microHz spectrogram here=2C either on Chris' grabber in =3BBucharest
or mine in Nuernberg. =3BCan you give = =3Byour exact frequency=2C and could you transmit a stable uninterrupted carrier for a couple of hours? We've been seeing =3Bnarrow traces from =3BUS East= coast stations before=2C =3Bbut I wonder =3Bhow much effect =3Btransp= olar Doppler could have.
 =3B
Is DCF-39 =3Breally as strong as 25 dB in 1= 00 Hz=2C =3Bie. 45 dB/Hz=2C or would that be =3Bin 0.1 Hz? What are th= e =3Bbest hours?
 =3B
Best 73=2C
Markus (DF6NM)
 =3B

Sent: Sunday=2C September 02=2C 2012 4:21 AM
Subject: LF: DCF39 appears

Nice to see DCF39 appearing on QRSS this evening over the Pole. Ive not seen it since Spring here in Alaska. About 25dB noise in 100Hz (ish units). Not dark yet either=2C

Laurence KL1X WE2XPQ Wasilla AK
Sent: Sunday=2C September 02=2C 2012 2:17 AM
Subject: LF: XPQ

Further testing on 137.7752 ish carrier only ongoing - still in shakedown mode but sweeps of individual 400w Modules show the same resonance and output parameters from 2005 :-)

http://kl7uk.com/XPQ2.jpg

Set up in garage.

Laurence We2xpq =3B KL1X Wasilla Alaska

Sent: Thursday=2C August 30=2C 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752


A little bit of Nostalgia - WE2XPQ Wasilla Alaska is very intermittently =3Btesting on 137.7752 DFCW various speeds and the odd b= it of QRSS - Power will be up to =3B2W ERP but is to be confirmed.
 =3B
Periods of operations=2C modes and powers will vary as Im trying to remember all the ins and outs of why I installed 'X" relay to do a "Y" function as its been 7 years or so.
 =3B
Transmitter for the moment =3Bis the Decca 5501=2C drivers are FT817 h/= b transverter=2C Loop with around 100m circumference at 50ft or so and phase meter. The Birch trees bend a lot more than the OKie Cottonwoods =3Bso not sure how much detuning will happen as thing becom= e more slack or as the trees become snow laden -
 =3B
Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla Palmer Alaska BP51IP
= --_e24d92bc-ae53-42fe-b31e-fdcd6e9e6a3d_--