Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E9B7B3800008D; Sun, 2 Sep 2012 13:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1T8EFm-0001qD-2m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 18:46:34 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1T8EFl-0001q4-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 18:46:33 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T8EFi-0002rG-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2012 18:46:32 +0100 Received: from BLU153-W46 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 2 Sep 2012 10:46:26 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.201.244] From: Laurence KL7UK To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 09:46:26 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2012 17:46:26.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0513180:01CD8932] X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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At present the sig source is a FT817 with hb 5MHz IF tvrt - the external g= ps locked ref isnt on line yet. The W&G sig gen is still doing its stuff an= d Ill put the HP sig gen (you can see at the back on a rack below the mangl= ed HP PSU (moving damage)) The HP give me sweep capability to allowing me = to use ALIEN mode per Steve W3EEE archived captures :-) I really want to use the TS870 as it has proven reasonable LF tvtr pedigr= ee as the 817 get a little drifty over time but Im going to have to go up m= arket over the Walmart picnic table. I havent checked but something odd happened to the Iono last night here tow= ards Eu. I could see DCF39 fine a couple of hours before dusk which is odd = at this time of year (and it was 0.1Hz or so=2C thanks)=2C then it faded aw= ay before dusk -according to Mr Argo it reappeared around 0100Z (I was usi= ng dot 10 slow) and then disappeared around 0328Z. Noise levels were low=20 Ill let u know how we are progressing=2C Im more worried about the trees t= aking the weight and stress of all the copper. Laurence KL1X Wasilla Palmer From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Date: Sun=2C 2 Sep 2012 18:15:18 +0200 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752=2C DCF39 appears Laurence=2C=20 =20 I'd be interested to see whether XPQ could be=20 detected in a microHz spectrogram here=2C either on Chris' grabber=20 in Bucharest http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/lfgrabber.htm or mine in Nuernberg. Can you give your exact=20 frequency=2C and could you transmit a stable uninterrupted carrier for a co= uple of=20 hours? We've been seeing narrow traces from US East coast stations=20 before=2C but I wonder how much effect transpolar Doppler could=20 have. =20 Is DCF-39 really as strong as 25 dB in 100=20 Hz=2C ie. 45 dB/Hz=2C or would that be in 0.1 Hz? What are the best=20 hours? =20 Best 73=2C Markus (DF6NM) =20 From: Laurence KL7UK=20 Sent: Sunday=2C September 02=2C 2012 4:21 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: DCF39 appears Nice to see DCF39 appearing on QRSS this evening over the Pole. Ive=20 not seen it since Spring here in Alaska. About 25dB noise in 100Hz (ish uni= ts).=20 Not dark yet either=2C Laurence KL1X WE2XPQ Wasilla AK From: Laurence=20 KL7UK=20 Sent: Sunday=2C September 02=2C 2012 2:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =3B lowfer@mailman.qth.net=20 Subject: LF: XPQ Further testing on 137.7752 ish carrier only ongoing - still in=20 shakedown mode but sweeps of individual 400w Modules show the same resonanc= e and=20 output parameters from 2005 :-) http://kl7uk.com/XPQ2.jpg Set=20 up in garage. Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla Alaska From: Laurence=20 KL7UK=20 Sent: Thursday=2C August 30=2C 2012 6:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 =3B lowfer@mailman.qth.net=20 Subject: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752 A little bit of Nostalgia - WE2XPQ Wasilla Alaska is very=20 intermittently testing on 137.7752 DFCW various speeds and the odd bit of=20 QRSS - Power will be up to 2W ERP but is to be confirmed.=20 =20 Periods of operations=2C modes and powers will vary as Im trying to=20 remember all the ins and outs of why I installed 'X" relay to do a "Y" func= tion=20 as its been 7 years or so. =20 Transmitter for the moment is the=20 Decca 5501=2C drivers are FT817 h/b transverter=2C Loop with around 100m=20 circumference at 50ft or so and phase meter. The Birch trees bend a lot mor= e=20 than the OKie Cottonwoods so not sure how much detuning will happen as=20 thing become more slack or as the trees become snow laden -=20 =20 Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla Palmer Alaska=20 BP51IP = --_8588eae5-9ca6-4537-81bd-a4fec13945ac_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Markus - it will be a little time before I can shove out a relativel= y phase stable signal - as you may have seen Im operating from a temp locat= ion in garage and the mechanical integrity of the table is questionable!
 =3BAt present the sig source is a FT817 with hb 5MHz IF tvrt - th= e external gps locked ref isnt on line yet. The W&=3BG sig gen is still = doing its stuff and Ill put the HP sig gen (you can see at the back on a ra= ck below the mangled HP PSU (moving damage)) =3B The HP give me sweep c= apability to allowing me to use ALIEN mode per Steve W3EEE archived capture= s :-)

 =3BI really want to use the TS870 as it has proven reason= able LF =3B tvtr pedigree as the 817 get a little drifty over time but = Im going to have to go up market over the Walmart picnic table.

I ha= vent checked but something odd happened to the Iono last night here towards= Eu. I could see DCF39 fine a couple of hours before dusk which is odd at t= his time of year (and it was 0.1Hz or so=2C thanks)=2C then it faded away b= efore dusk =3B -according to Mr Argo it reappeared around 0100Z (I was = using dot 10 slow) and then disappeared around 0328Z. Noise levels were low=

Ill let u know how we are progressing=2C =3B Im more worried a= bout the trees taking the weight and stress of all the copper.

Laure= nce KL1X Wasilla Palmer

<= hr id=3D"stopSpelling">From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
CC: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Date: Sun=2C 2 Sep 201= 2 18:15:18 +0200
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752=2C DCF39 appears
Laurence=2C
 =3B
I'd be interested to see whether XPQ could be=20 detected =3Bin a microHz spectrogram here=2C either on Chris' grabber=20 in =3BBucharest
or mine in Nuernberg. =3BCan you give =3B= your exact=20 frequency=2C and could you transmit a stable uninterrupted carrier for a co= uple of=20 hours? We've been seeing =3Bnarrow traces from =3BUS East coast sta= tions=20 before=2C =3Bbut I wonder =3Bhow much effect =3Btranspolar Dopp= ler could=20 have.
 =3B
Is DCF-39 =3Breally as strong as 25 dB in 100= =20 Hz=2C =3Bie. 45 dB/Hz=2C or would that be =3Bin 0.1 Hz? What are th= e =3Bbest=20 hours?
 =3B
Best 73=2C
Markus (DF6NM)
 = =3B

Sent: Sunday=2C September 02=2C 2012 4:21 AM
Subject: LF: DCF39 appears

Nice to see DCF39 appearing on QRSS this evening over the = Pole. Ive=20 not seen it since Spring here in Alaska. About 25dB noise in 100Hz (ish uni= ts).=20 Not dark yet either=2C

Laurence KL1X WE2XPQ Wasilla AK
Sent: Sunday=2C September 02=2C 2012 2:17 AM
Subject: LF: XPQ

Further testing on 137.7752 ish carrier only ongoing - sti= ll in=20 shakedown mode but sweeps of individual 400w Modules show the same resonanc= e and=20 output parameters from 2005 :-)

http://kl7uk.= com/XPQ2.jpg

Set=20 up in garage.

Laurence We2xpq =3B KL1X Wasilla Alaska

Sent: Thursday=2C August 30=2C 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: LF: WE2XPQ 137.7752


A little bit of Nostalgia - WE2XPQ Wasilla Alaska is v= ery=20 intermittently =3Btesting on 137.7752 DFCW various speeds and the odd b= it of=20 QRSS - Power will be up to =3B2W ERP but is to be confirmed.=20
 =3B
Periods of operations=2C modes and powers will vary as Im t= rying to=20 remember all the ins and outs of why I installed 'X" relay to do a "Y" func= tion=20 as its been 7 years or so.
 =3B
Transmitter for the moment = =3Bis the=20 Decca 5501=2C drivers are FT817 h/b transverter=2C Loop with around 100m=20 circumference at 50ft or so and phase meter. The Birch trees bend a lot mor= e=20 than the OKie Cottonwoods =3Bso not sure how much detuning will happen = as=20 thing become more slack or as the trees become snow laden -=20
 =3B
Laurence We2xpq KL1X Wasilla Palmer Alaska=20 BP51IP
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