Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1733D3800008F; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1THTQo-00059Z-Ns for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:48:10 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1THTQn-00059Q-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:48:09 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1THTQl-0002HR-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:48:08 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 029F413809E.AF927 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029F413809E for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:48:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 000DC20049 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:47:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:47:57 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: 630m Band Plan Thread-Index: AQHNnP5rgxMnwN31GUe8Hubgo2OuspefPjRQ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 05:47:56 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB2CEE7@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <20961.6c91afbf.3d962a97@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20961.6c91afbf.3d962a97@aol.com> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.14] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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At this moment only few countries are active on 472-479kHz, in 2013 things = will change. Let's wait until then to decide a. if we really need a rigid band plan b. what it (eventually) will be 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens KKorn42@aol.com [KKorn42@aol.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 28 september 2012 0:18 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: 630m Band Plan Dear All as a first proposal for discussion we present a "plan" that we coined the "= B31 Band Plan for 630m". The name derives from the DOK to which all who sha= red ideas, belong. Just to state it once more: it is a first basis and proposal and those who = have an interest in operation between 472kHz and 479kHz (up to now the slot= allocated by the BuNetzA to German hams) are invited to agree, discuss or = provide better ideas. Several hams already provided specific proposals which were incorporated. We deliberately did not detail too much, as we do not think, that all can b= e fixed prior to actual demand. Please see attached gif-file. 1. A CW slot from 472kHz to 475kHz (=3D3kHz). 2. Within that, a region for beacons (472,000kHz to 472,150kHz) followed by= a region for Slow CW (472,150kHz to 472,300kHz). 3. For TA-CW DX traffic or other long-haul DX, a calling frequency shall be= established at 472,600kHz. 4. For other CW traffic, another calling frequency (if the necessity exists= ) shall be established in the upper region of the CW allocation at 474,750k= Hz (474,500 occupied by "SA"). 5. The frequency 472,500kHz will not be allocated for special use (at least= for the time being), as a continuous carrier is audible 24/7 throughout DL= . 6. A slot for Digital Modes from 475,0kHz to 479,0 (=3D 4kHz). 7. Today it is much too early to decide which digital modes will be used on= 630m. We propose to leave this open for the future. WSPR (474,200kHz Dial = USB), OPERA and ROS (477,000kHz DIAL USB) have established themselves on th= e shown frequencies. Some other modes that may be useful for MW but can not= yet be used (e.g. JT65HF) because they allow no suitable frequency selecti= on. 8. Digital Modes should not overlap each other (minor relocations may be ne= cessary). 9. Whether or not the shown "protection zones" of e.g. +/- 50Hz around acti= ve NDB frequencies are necessary or not, ist still being discussed. 10. No further stipulations will be given. Walter DJ2LF, Roland DL3NDR, Klaus DJ6LB NB (DJ6LB): Upon request I provide (via separate mail) a picture with bette= r resolution . --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB2CEE7ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Klaus,

 

in my opinion it is far too early=  for a rigid band plan.

At this moment only few count= ries are active on 472-= 479kHz, in 2013 things will= change.

Let's wait until&nbs= p;then to decide

a. if we really need a rigid band plan

b. what it (eventually) will be

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens KKorn42@aol.com [KKorn42@aol.com]=
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 september 2012 0:18
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: 630m Band Plan

Dear All
as a first proposal for discussion we present a "plan" that we co= ined the "B31 Band Plan for 630m". The name derives from the DOK = to which all who shared ideas, belong.
Just to state it once more: it is a first basis and proposal and those who = have an interest in operation between 472kHz and 479kHz (up to now the slot= allocated by the BuNetzA to German hams) are invited to agree, discuss or = provide better ideas.
Several hams already provided specific proposals which were incorporated. We deliberately did not detail too much, as we do not think, that all can b= e fixed prior to actual demand.
 
Please see attached gif-file.
 
1. A CW slot from 472kHz to 475kHz (=3D3kHz).
2. Within that, a region for beacons (472,000kHz to 472,150kHz) followed by= a region for Slow CW (472,150kHz to 472,300kHz).
3. For TA-CW DX traffic or other long-haul DX, a calling frequency shall be= established at 472,600kHz.
4. For other CW traffic, another calling frequency (if the necessity exists= ) shall be established in the upper region of the CW allocation at 474,750k= Hz (474,500 occupied by "SA").
5. The frequency 472,500kHz will not be allocated for special use (at least= for the time being), as a continuous carrier is audible 24/7 throughout DL= .
6. A slot for Digital Modes from 475,0kHz to 479,0 (=3D 4kHz).
7. Today it is much too early to decide which digital modes will be used on= 630m. We propose to leave this open for the future. WSPR (474,200kHz Dial = USB), OPERA and ROS (477,000kHz DIAL USB) have established themselves on th= e shown frequencies. Some other modes that may be useful for MW but can not yet be used (e.g. JT65HF) beca= use they allow no suitable frequency selection.
8. Digital Modes should not overlap each other (minor relocations may be ne= cessary).
9. Whether or not the shown "protection zones" of e.g. +/- 50= Hz around active NDB frequencies are necessary or not, ist still being disc= ussed.
10. No further stipulations will be given.
 
Walter DJ2LF, Roland DL3NDR, Klaus DJ6LB
 
NB (DJ6LB): Upon request I provide (via separate mail) a picture with = better resolution .
 
 
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