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A linear (class AB push-pull) amplifier can have 60-70% efficiency 2. WSPR is an FSK mode and does NOT need linear amplification 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens mal hamilton [g3kevmal@talktalk.net] Verzonden: zaterdag 22 september 2012 22:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 I doubt if WSPR is as good as OPERA taking all things into consideration. W= SPR needs Linear PA at 35% efficiency. Opera works with an amplifier in cla= ss D or E at 90% efficiency. CW es QRS likewise works with D or E class amp= . You have to look at the bigger picture. To get a proper evaluation transmit the same ERP with each mode bearing in = mind the inefficiency of a Linear amplifier versus a class D or E which is = over twice as efficient. The way tests are being conducted at present are t= oo haphazard to be meaningful Twice as much DC input power is needed with a Linear amp to generate the sa= me ERP as a class D or E. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Interesting ... Define 'simple' ? G.. From: IK1WVQ Mauro Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 4:21 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Hi to all, only a question to the experts: is the SLOW WSPR better than the simple OPERA-32 ??? 73 de Mauro K1WVQ At 16.57 22/09/12, you wrote: Hi Markus, LF, It works! First reception of DF6NM in WSPR-8 here. Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az 2012-09-22 14:40 DF6NM 0.137538 0 0 JN59nj 0.5 DK7FC/8 JN4= 9ik 175 272 2012-09-22 14:30 DK7FC 0.137499 +13 0 JN49ik 1 DK7FC/8 JN4= 9ik 0 0 I have used a virtual audio cable, with success. For those who still try without success, here is my description in simple w= ords. If your RX is a HF TRX at 136 kHz dial setting, then the tone of DF6NM appe= ars at 1440 Hz, the tone of DK7FC appears at 1430 Hz. The microphone input is used and it must be defined as the standard audio i= nput device. This is important since the SounInput program related always t= o the default input. Then soundinput generates the audio file and replays it in SoundOutput. SoundOutput replays it to the standard audio output device, which is the vi= rtual audio cable 1 for me. So VAC1 must be defined as the standard output = device! The sound input of the WSPR software must be set to VAC1 too. The file wspr-8_rx.bat must be edited. If the BFO frequency in the WSPR sof= tware is 1500 Hz, then this value must be inserted for fc in the row for th= e soundoutput settings. Set the value for fc for soundinput (the row below) to 1450 Hz and save the= file. Then double click wspr-8_rx.bat and wait some minutes. You may watch the sm= all souninput and soundoutput windows... Hope it works for others as well now. 73, Stefan7DK7FC Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 9.0.930 / Database dei virus: 2441.1.1/5285 - Data di rilascio: = 09/22/12 08:34:00 --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB29094ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

1. A linear (class AB push-pull) amplifier can have 60-70% efficiency

2. WSPR is an FSK m= ode and does NOT need linear amplification

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens mal hamilton [g3kevmal@talktalk.n= et]
Verzonden: zaterdag 22 september 2012 22:11
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32

I doubt if WSPR is as good as OPERA taking all th= ings into consideration. WSPR needs Linear PA at 35% efficiency. Opera work= s with an amplifier in class D or E at 90% efficiency. CW es QRS likewise w= orks with D or E class amp.
You have to look at the bigger picture.
To get a proper evaluation transmit the same ERP = with each mode bearing in mind the inefficiency of a Linear amplifier versu= s a class D or E which is over twice as efficient. The way tests are being = conducted at present are too haphazard to be meaningful
Twice as much DC input power is needed with a Lin= ear amp to generate the same ERP as a class D or E.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 3= :36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental so= ftware for WSPR-8 and -32

Interesting  ...
 
Define  'simple'  ?
 
G..

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32

Hi to all,

only a question to the experts:

is the SLOW WSPR better than the simple OPERA-32 ???

73 de Mauro K1WVQ




At 16.57 22/09/12, you wrote:
Hi Markus, LF,

It works! First reception of DF6NM in WSPR-8 here.

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2012-09-22 14:40   DF6NM   0.137538   0=    0   JN59nj   0.5   DK7FC/8 =   JN49ik   175   272 
 2012-09-22 14:30   DK7FC   0.137499   &= #43;13   0   JN49ik   1   DK7FC/8&n= bsp;  JN49ik   0   0

I have used a virtual audio cable, with success.


For those who still try without success, here is my description in simple w= ords.

If your RX is a HF TRX at 136 kHz dial setting, then the tone of DF6NM appe= ars at 1440 Hz, the tone of DK7FC appears at 1430 Hz.

The microphone input is used and it must be defined as the standard audio i= nput device. This is important since the SounInput program related always t= o the default input.

Then soundinput generates the audio file and replays it in SoundOutput.

SoundOutput replays it to the standard audio output device, which is the vi= rtual audio cable 1 for me. So VAC1 must be defined as the standard output = device!

The sound input of the WSPR software must be set to VAC1 too.

The file wspr-8_rx.bat must be edited. If the BFO frequency in the WSPR sof= tware is 1500 Hz, then this value must be inserted for fc in the row for th= e soundoutput settings.

Set the value for fc for soundinput (the row below) to 1450 Hz and save the= file.

Then double click wspr-8_rx.bat and wait some minutes. You may watch the sm= all souninput and soundoutput windows...

Hope it works for others as well now.

73, Stefan7DK7FC


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Controllato da AVG - www.= avg.com
Versione: 9.0.930 / Database dei virus: 2441.1.1/5285 -  Data di rilas= cio: 09/22/12 08:34:00
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