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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thanks very much Jay, Terry and Chris for taking the effort to receive and report our experiment, and of course to Stefan for suggesting it in the first place. I think the expected gain in sensitivity is evident, even though there is no "miracle machine" of course. I have now ended the WSPR-8 transmission from Nuernberg for today. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.207.163 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.8 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 80dfd4418e586cee7526d670ae10acbc Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD9979.A6648330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e505ece3269fe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD9979.A6648330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks very much Jay, Terry and Chris for taking the effort to receive = and report our experiment, and of course to Stefan for suggesting it in = the first place. I think the expected gain in sensitivity is evident, = even though there is no "miracle machine" of course. I have now ended = the WSPR-8 transmission from Nuernberg for today.=20 How would you like to proceed from here? Try WSPR-32 next? Perhaps a = slow WSPR experiment on MF? Or wait for Joe's 8-FSK mode JT8 which might = knock off another dB? BTW I don't use a transverter for MF, but an FE-5680A Rubidium = synthesizer which can be controlled to generate WSPR directly. Best wishes, and have a nice Sunday, Markus (DF6NM) From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:55 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Stefan Thanks for the test signal ... and thanks to Markus and Wolf for the = tools! Got in early evening and was hurrying to get things patched = together and lined up ... thus the frequency mistke on the first decode. Dst is at a favorable at -16 nT but static is up a bit tonight due to a = cold front approaching to the west. In fact, thunderstorms are predicted = so I may have to make a quick exit a bit later! Congrats to you and Markus! Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Jay,=20 Thank you once again! Congrats to your equipment! Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az=20 2012-09-23 00:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-22 23:48 DK7FC 0.136223 -26 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 How do you estimate the conds today? From your experience, is the SNR = improvement of WSPR-8 significantly? Hard to estimate if it is really 6 = dB... Will see how things proceed in the night. 8 minutes is still a good time to detect changes in propagation.. 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CD9979.A6648330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks very much Jay, Terry = and Chris=20 for taking the effort to receive and report our experiment, = and of=20 course to Stefan for suggesting it in the first place. I think the = expected=20 gain in sensitivity is evident, even though there is=20 no "miracle machine" of course. I have now=20 ended the WSPR-8 transmission from Nuernberg for today. =
 
How would you like to proceed from = here? Try=20 WSPR-32 next? Perhaps a slow WSPR experiment on MF? Or wait = for Joe's=20 8-FSK mode JT8 which might knock off another dB?
 
BTW I don't use a transverter = for MF,=20 but an FE-5680A Rubidium synthesizer which can be controlled = to=20 generate WSPR directly.
 
Best wishes, and have a nice = Sunday,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 2:55 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and=20 -32

Stefan
 
Thanks for the test signal ... and = thanks=20 to Markus and Wolf for the tools! Got in early evening and was = hurrying to=20 get things patched together and lined up ... thus the = frequency mistke on=20 the first decode.
 
Dst is at a favorable at -16 nT but = static is up a=20 bit tonight due to a cold front approaching to the west. In fact, = thunderstorms=20 are predicted so I may have to make a quick exit a bit = later!
 
Congrats to you and = Markus!
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  = WE2XGR/2
   
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Saturday, September 22, = 2012 8:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: = Experimental=20 software for WSPR-8 and -32

Jay,

Thank you once again! Congrats to your=20 equipment!

Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2012-09-23 00:08   DK7FC   0.136164   -27   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-22 23:48   DK7FC   0.136223   -26   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 

How = do you=20 estimate the conds today? From your experience, is the SNR improvement = of=20 WSPR-8 significantly? Hard to estimate if it is really 6 dB...
Will = see how=20 things proceed in the night.
8 minutes is still a good time to = detect=20 changes in propagation..

73, = Stefan/DK7FC
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