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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, I may have done the same. But honestly, I don't feel bad about it, as I think there's nothing wrong in doing so. Anyone can join the Blacksheep reflector. So I would consider anything I post here as "said in public", open to fair citation. If this is not your intent it would indeed be more appropriate to revert to direct mail. 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But honestly, I don't feel bad about it, as I = think there's nothing wrong in doing so.=20 Anyone can join the Blacksheep reflector. So I would consider anything I = post here as "said in public", open to fair citation. If this is not = your intent it would indeed be more appropriate to revert to direct = mail.=20 Personally I have no reservations about my contributions appearing on = "the web". To me, the internet is not some kind of moloch but a very = useful means to share and retrieve information. In my opinion it's a bit = heretic to use Google every day, and at the same time complain about = contributing content to a searchable archive. =20 Regarding Yahoo and BS, I never found it desirable to have two groups in = parallel. And I don't think "opt out for crossposting" is a viable = solution. Often we have long (and sometimes valuable ;-) threads, from = several different contributers. When replying, would you seriously = expect us to search for anything that might have been said by a person = of the "no" group, and carefully cut it out? Again, citation according = to generally accepted rules should be freely allowed. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) PS it would be nice if we all would try to care for valid subject lines, = and replace those whenever a thread has drifted away from the original = topic. From: Steinar Aanesland=20 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:57 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: test Stefan, I may have done this. I have sometimes had rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk. in the Cc field when I have replied to an email. I sincerely apologize if I've done something stupid to you. It has never my intention. My goal has been to inform , not to step on some people. I am deeply sorry LA5VNA Steinar loc:jo59jq www.opera.no Den 30.09.2012 00:56, skrev Stefan Sch=E4fer: > ...i am extremely irritated to see my emails and even my email adress > in this reflector beeing permanently forwarded to the web, i.e. > certain public groups. Thus i consider to reduce my activity here and > communicate with the few really active people directly, at least for > some time. > > Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 29.09.2012 21:34, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf: >> .. suspiciously quiet here on the reflector, especially for a weekend = .. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CD9EF4.0320EA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,
 
I may have done the same. But honestly, I don't feel bad about it, as I = think there's=20 nothing wrong in doing so.
 
Anyone can join the Blacksheep = reflector. So I=20 would consider anything I post here as "said in = public", open to=20 fair citation. If this is not your intent it would indeed be more=20 appropriate to revert to direct mail. 
 
Personally I have no reservations about = my=20 contributions appearing on "the web". To me, the = internet is not=20 some kind of moloch but a very useful means to share and = retrieve=20 information. In my opinion it's a bit heretic to use = Google every=20 day, and at the same time complain about contributing content to a = searchable=20 archive.  
 
Regarding Yahoo and BS, I never = found it=20 desirable to have two groups in parallel. And I don't think "opt out for crossposting" is a viable solution. = Often=20 we have long (and sometimes valuable ;-) threads, from several = different=20 contributers. When replying, would you=20 seriously expect us to search for anything that might have = been said=20 by a person of the "no" group, and carefully cut it out? Again, citation = according to generally accepted rules should be freely=20 allowed.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
PS it would be nice if we all = would try to=20 care for valid subject lines, and replace those whenever a thread = has=20 drifted away from the original topic.
 

From: Steinar Aanesland
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: LF: test

Stefan, I = may have done=20 this. I have sometimes had
rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk.=20 in the Cc field when I have replied to
an email. I sincerely = apologize if=20 I've done something stupid to you. It
has never my intention. My goal = has=20 been to inform , not to step on some
people. I am deeply = sorry

LA5VNA=20 Steinar
loc:jo59jq
www.opera.no


Den 30.09.2012 = 00:56,=20 skrev Stefan Sch=E4fer:
> ...i am extremely irritated to see my = emails and=20 even my email adress
> in this reflector beeing permanently = forwarded to=20 the web, i.e.
> certain public groups. Thus i consider to reduce = my=20 activity here and
> communicate with the few really active people=20 directly, at least for
> some time.
>
>=20 Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am 29.09.2012 21:34, schrieb=20 wolf_dl4yhf:
>> .. suspiciously quiet here on the reflector, = especially=20 for a weekend ..
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