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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Markus, Jay, Terry, Chris, LF, Thanks for the yesterdays WSPR-8 tests! Somehow i thought there would be a more general interest in these experiments but maybe it is to complex? Don't know... Another effect may be that we try daily change the modes. But this is experimenting. I hope that WSPR-32 will be a more serious alternative. From what we saw in WSPR-8, WSPR-32 must be very promising and i'm optimistic to have a decode from Venezuela! 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Somehow i thought there would be a more general interest in these experiments but maybe it is to complex? Don't know... Another effect may be that we try daily change the modes. But this is experimenting. I hope that WSPR-32 will be a more serious alternative. From what we saw in WSPR-8, WSPR-32 must be very promising and i'm optimistic to have a decode from Venezuela! The line on the map: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/WSPR-8_test.png to W1VD is very bulky :-) There were 11 decode by W1VD: Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az 2012-09-23 05:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -23 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 03:48 DK7FC 0.136164 -25 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 03:28 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 02:48 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 02:28 DK7FC 0.136164 -26 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 02:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -23 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 01:28 DK7FC 0.136164 -25 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 01:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 00:28 DK7FC 0.136164 -26 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-23 00:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 2012-09-22 23:48 DK7FC 0.136223 -26 0 JN49ik 1 W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 Only 2 of them would have been in the range for WSPR-2 decodes. So the slower mode certainly helped to cover a wider time range. There are 3 grabbers showing the occupied bandwidth of WSPR-8 and later WSPR-32: http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/lfgrabber.htm http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.htm http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_DX_Grabber.html Markus, i would agree to move to WSPR-32 now. Same QRG. Will be interesting to see the new spectrograms and the possible distances! :-) Oh, i musn't forget to add a switch across the cap of the watchdog timer ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.09.2012 10:53, schrieb Markus Vester: > Thanks very much Jay, Terry and Chris for taking the effort to receive > and report our experiment, and of course to Stefan for suggesting it > in the first place. I think the expected gain in sensitivity is > evident, even though there is no "miracle machine" of course. I have > now ended the WSPR-8 transmission from Nuernberg for today. > How would you like to proceed from here? Try WSPR-32 next? Perhaps a > slow WSPR experiment on MF? Or wait for Joe's 8-FSK mode JT8 which > might knock off another dB? > BTW I don't use a transverter for MF, but an FE-5680A Rubidium > synthesizer which can be controlled to generate WSPR directly. > Best wishes, and have a nice Sunday, > Markus (DF6NM) > --------------030307050602070008050308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q8NCnRRB016696 Hi Markus, Jay, Terry, Chris, LF,

Thanks for the yesterdays WSPR-8 tests!

Somehow i thought there would be a more general interest in these experiments but maybe it is to complex? Don't know... Another effect may be that we try daily change the modes. But this is experimenting. I hope that WSPR-32 will be a more serious alternative. From what we saw in WSPR-8, WSPR-32 must be very promising and i'm optimistic to have a decode from Venezuela!

The line on the map: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/WSPR-8_test.= png to W1VD is very bulky :-)
There were 11 decode by W1VD:
Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
=C2=A02012-09-23 05:08=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-23=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 03:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-25=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 03:28=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-27=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 02:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-27=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 02:28=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-26=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 02:08=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-23=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 01:28=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-25=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 01:08=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-27=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 00:28=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-26=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-23 00:08=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136164=C2=A0 =C2=A0-27=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0
=C2=A02012-09-22 23:48=C2=A0 =C2=A0DK7FC=C2=A0 =C2=A00.136223=C2=A0 =C2=A0-26=C2=A0 =C2=A00=C2=A0 =C2=A0JN49ik=C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A0W1VD=C2=A0 =C2=A0FN31ls=C2=A0 =C2=A06099=C2=A0 =C2=A0295=C2=A0

Only 2 of them would have been in the range for WSPR-2 decodes. So the slower mode certainly helped to cover a wider time range.

There are 3 grabbers showing the occupied bandwidth of WSPR-8 and later WSPR-32:

http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/lfgrabber.htm
http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.htm<= /a>
http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.d= e/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_DX_Grabber.html

Markus, i would agree to move to WSPR-32 now. Same QRG. Will be interesting to see the new spectrograms and the possible distances! :-) Oh, i musn't forget to add a switch across the cap of the watchdog timer ;-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC




Am 23.09.2012 10:53, schrieb Markus Vester:
Thanks very much Jay, Terry and=C2=A0Chris for=C2=A0taking the effort to receive and report=C2=A0our = experiment, and of course to Stefan for suggesting it in the first place.=C2=A0I thin= k the expected gain in sensitivity=C2=A0is evident, even though=C2=A0there=C2= =A0is no=C2=A0"miracle machine" of course. I have now ended=C2=A0the WSPR-8 transmission from Nuernberg for today.
=C2=A0
How would you like to proceed from here? Try WSPR-32 next? Perhaps a slow WSPR experiment on MF? Or=C2=A0wai= t for=C2=A0Joe's 8-FSK mode JT8 which might knock off another dB?
=C2=A0
BTW I don't use a transverter for=C2=A0MF, but=C2=A0an=C2=A0FE-5680A Rubidium synthesizer which can be = controlled to generate WSPR directly.
=C2=A0
Best wishes, and have a nice Sunda= y,
Markus (DF6NM)

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