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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: That's it, Geri! We are coming from LF to MF, so MF is not that spectacular. But if you're coming from HF to MF, that must be much more exciting and new to explore such a "low" band wher all the stuff "must" be homemade. If they will write a report about their experiment and results, they will cause more interest for others, which makes the band even more alive. So the results can only be positive, even without 100s of QSOs. 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We are coming from LF to MF, so MF is not that spectacular. But if you're coming from HF to MF, that must be much more exciting and new to explore such a "low" band wher all the stuff "must" be homemade. If they will write a report about their experiment and results, they will cause more interest for others, which makes the band even more alive. So the results can only be positive, even without 100s of QSOs. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.09.2012 00:47, schrieb Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW: > John, > >> A WSPR transmission for the same length of time would gather much >> more usefuly information than calling CQ with no hope of hearing any >> replies? > > I think it all depends on what we expect to get out of our amateur > radio activity. What would a WSPR signal reveal other than that what > everybody who ever had talked to the marine guys already knew: that a > MF signal can be heard a few thousand miles away. > > Here we have a group of people setting up a fieldday station under > less than optimal conditions, not experienced with MF operation at all > yet - and had trouble to receive - so what? How long did it take us > "experienced" guys to be where we are today? Did it really kill some > 'valuable' QSOs tonight that we will never have another chance to have > again? Just relax, the band is still there tomorrow, sooner or later > we will all have contacted each other numerous times, in CW, WSPR, > QRSS or whatever mode. > > By the way: I had a QSO with Bert, DF2PI who was operating DK0SWF this > evening, and I was able to hear and feel his excitement to explore a > new band. > > Did we all forget on how we started, on how we had to make our own > experiences when we began and what fun we had? > > 73 > > Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO > --------------000204080600000709010203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q891dq65007011 That's it, Geri!

We are coming from LF to MF, so MF is not that spectacular. But if you're coming from HF to MF, that must be much more exciting and new to explore such a "low" band wher all the stuff "must" be homemade.
If they will write a report about their experiment and results, they will cause more interest for others, which makes the band even more alive. So the results can only be positive, even without 100s of QSOs.
73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 09.09.2012 00:47, schrieb Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW:
John,

=C2=A0A WSPR transmission for the same length of time would gather much more usefuly information than calling CQ with no hope of hearing any replies?

I think it all depends on what we expect to get out of our amateur radio activity. What would a WSPR signal reveal other than that what everybody who ever had talked to the marine guys already knew: that a MF signal can be heard a few thousand miles away.=C2=A0

Here we have a group of people setting up a fieldday station under less than optimal conditions, not experienced with MF operation at all yet - and had trouble to receive - so what? How long did it take us "experienced" guys to be where we are today? Did it really kill some 'valuable' QSOs tonight that we will never have another chance to have again? Just relax, the band is still there tomorrow, sooner or later we will all have contacted each other numerous times, in CW, WSPR, QRSS or whatever mode.=C2=A0

By the way: I had a QSO with Bert, DF2PI who was operating DK0SWF this evening, and I was able to hear and feel his excitement to explore a new band.

Did we all forget on how we started, on how we had to make our own experiences when we began and what fun we had?

73

Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO

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