Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E65B380000AB; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 03:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1THV6t-0005QH-6v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:35:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1THV6s-0005Q8-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:35:42 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1THV6q-0002bT-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:35:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.178.182] (p5B0B278C.dip.t-dialin.net [91.11.39.140]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lmujs-1TwKdv1Wk0-00hfKa; Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:35:39 +0200 References: <20961.6c91afbf.3d962a97@aol.com> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB2CEE7@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB2CEE7@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> Message-Id: <297E2C24-A986-4BE2-9A18-5382D87D7788@dk8kw.de> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 09:36:36 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:WeUZ5xFAZg3oPradByahShvxYNVPiXO2Dyvcwjwlj6/ YTFeRCv1YCHu7htkzsHMI0h0965y6gCS8+30VTR2JMck3uhjQc DlFPoFOz6IEUj1NHZjQXqVsITSO4zKzzEGlhs3Edc+Hpayu92r Adc/vOuw0pj2AyhJp4UbhIuPNWmz25vH1bcm8muMqVZjIW++/4 FPjOaGNUZjncW5EIYRYBILrmZU6vche24/tbpFAW9vx5Hkyz3L g6G7VuvcGlRRz7y/pYRfiqE2ssL8i7y9a+4C0Akcvn+PPNm1gq 3PWd4tYa5Sdg8vFazLYlCxmikIUF0M4/zM8dX7fWqoW1P5k+8c XhJcyHOpHrVTyr7rlIHs2l8DW9PA8e0CiZV9e2OC3 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear all, I agree with most who say that there is no deed at this point for any rigid plan, my only, very preliminary suggestion would be: let us keep the lower few kHz for regular CW, QRSS in the middle and digital modes above, say 477 kHz. While it may be necessary to agree on certain frequencies (such as 477 kHz "dial" for OPERA) I would keep the remaining allocations open, each local locations is different. Also, in the future with more activity I am sure we don't need any CW calling frequency as we will do random contacts, same as on every other ham band. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 7ee575a0a6578bbbbe5ea7af32688fd5 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 630m Band Plan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-61E7753E-D469-482F-B4D4-5DC77F2E6DE9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1da6075065537b2880 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-61E7753E-D469-482F-B4D4-5DC77F2E6DE9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear all, I agree with most who say that there is no deed at this point for any rigid p= lan, my only, very preliminary suggestion would be: let us keep the lower fe= w kHz for regular CW, QRSS in the middle and digital modes above, say 477 kH= z. While it may be necessary to agree on certain frequencies (such as 477 kH= z "dial" for OPERA) I would keep the remaining allocations open, each local l= ocations is different. Also, in the future with more activity I am sure we d= on't need any CW calling frequency as we will do random contacts, same as on= every other ham band. Just my 2 =E2=82=AC-cent. Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 28.09.2012, at 07:47, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Dear Klaus, > =20 > in my opinion it is far too early for a rigid band plan. > At this moment only few countries are active on 472-479kHz, in 2013 things= will change. > Let's wait until then to decide > a. if we really need a rigid band plan > b. what it (eventually) will be > =20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > =20 > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens KKorn42@aol.com [KKorn42@aol.com] > Verzonden: vrijdag 28 september 2012 0:18 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: 630m Band Plan >=20 > Dear All > as a first proposal for discussion we present a "plan" that we coined the "= B31 Band Plan for 630m". The name derives from the DOK to which all who shar= ed ideas, belong. > Just to state it once more: it is a first basis and proposal and those who= have an interest in operation between 472kHz and 479kHz (up to now the slot= allocated by the BuNetzA to German hams) are invited to agree, discuss or p= rovide better ideas. > Several hams already provided specific proposals which were incorporated. > We deliberately did not detail too much, as we do not think, that all can b= e fixed prior to actual demand. > =20 > Please see attached gif-file. > =20 > 1. A CW slot from 472kHz to 475kHz (=3D3kHz). > 2. Within that, a region for beacons (472,000kHz to 472,150kHz) followed b= y a region for Slow CW (472,150kHz to 472,300kHz). > 3. For TA-CW DX traffic or other long-haul DX, a calling frequency shall b= e established at 472,600kHz. > 4. For other CW traffic, another calling frequency (if the necessity exist= s) shall be established in the upper region of the CW allocation at 474,750k= Hz (474,500 occupied by "SA"). > 5. The frequency 472,500kHz will not be allocated for special use (at leas= t for the time being), as a continuous carrier is audible 24/7 throughout DL= . > 6. A slot for Digital Modes from 475,0kHz to 479,0 (=3D 4kHz). > 7. Today it is much too early to decide which digital modes will be used o= n 630m. We propose to leave this open for the future. WSPR (474,200kHz Dial U= SB), OPERA and ROS (477,000kHz DIAL USB) have established themselves on the s= hown frequencies. Some other modes that may be useful for MW but can not yet= be used (e.g. JT65HF) because they allow no suitable frequency selection. > 8. Digital Modes should not overlap each other (minor relocations may be n= ecessary). > 9. Whether or not the shown "protection zones" of e.g. +/- 50Hz around act= ive NDB frequencies are necessary or not, ist still being discussed. > 10. No further stipulations will be given. > =20 > Walter DJ2LF, Roland DL3NDR, Klaus DJ6LB > =20 > NB (DJ6LB): Upon request I provide (via separate mail) a picture with bett= er resolution . > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-61E7753E-D469-482F-B4D4-5DC77F2E6DE9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear all,

I agree with most who say that there is no deed at this point for a= ny rigid plan, my only, very preliminary suggestion would be: let us keep th= e lower few kHz for regular CW, QRSS in the middle and digital modes above, s= ay 477 kHz. While it may be necessary to agree on certain frequencies (such a= s 477 kHz "dial" for OPERA) I would keep the remaining allocations open, eac= h local locations is different. Also, in the future with more activity I am s= ure we don't need any CW calling frequency as we will do random contacts, sa= me as on every other ham band.

Just my 2 =E2=82=AC-= cent.

Vy 73

Geri, DK8KW &a= mp; DI2BO


On 28.09.2012,= at 07:47, Rik Strobbe <Ri= k.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

Dear Klaus,

 

in my opinion it= is far too early&n= bsp;for a rigid band plan.

At this moment only few countr= ies are active on 472-47= 9kHz, in 2013 things will change.

Let's wait until = ;then to decide

a. if we really need= a rigid band plan

b. what it (eventually) will be

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] nam= ens KKorn42@aol.com [KKorn42@aol.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 september 2012 0:18
To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: 630m Band Plan

Dear All
as a first proposal for discussion we present a "plan" that we coined the "B= 31 Band Plan for 630m". The name derives from the DOK to which all who share= d ideas, belong.
Just to state it once more: it is a first basis and proposal and those who h= ave an interest in operation between 472kHz and 479kHz (up to now the slot a= llocated by the BuNetzA to German hams) are invited to agree, discuss or pro= vide better ideas.
Several hams already provided specific proposals which were incorporated. We deliberately did not detail too much, as we do not think, that all can be= fixed prior to actual demand.
 
Please see attached gif-file.
 
1. A CW slot from 472kHz to 475kHz (=3D3kHz).
2. Within that, a region for beacons (472,000kHz to 472,150kHz) followed by a= region for Slow CW (472,150kHz to 472,300kHz).
3. For TA-CW DX traffic or other long-haul DX, a calling frequency shall be e= stablished at 472,600kHz.
4. For other CW traffic, another calling frequency (if the necessity exists)= shall be established in the upper region of the CW allocation at 474,750kHz= (474,500 occupied by "SA").
5. The frequency 472,500kHz will not be allocated for special use (at least f= or the time being), as a continuous carrier is audible 24/7 throughout DL. 6. A slot for Digital Modes from 475,0kHz to 479,0 (=3D 4kHz).
7. Today it is much too early to decide which digital modes will be used on 6= 30m. We propose to leave this open for the future. WSPR (474,200kHz Dial USB= ), OPERA and ROS (477,000kHz DIAL USB) have established themselves on the sh= own frequencies. Some other modes that may be useful for MW but can not yet be used (e.g. JT65HF) becau= se they allow no suitable frequency selection.
8. Digital Modes should not overlap each other (minor relocations may be nec= essary).
9. Whether or not the shown "protection zones" of e.g. +/- 50Hz around activ= e NDB frequencies are necessary or not, ist still being discussed.
10. No further stipulations will be given.
 
Walter DJ2LF, Roland DL3NDR, Klaus DJ6LB
 
NB (DJ6LB): Upon request I provide (via separate mail) a picture with b= etter resolution .
 
 
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