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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.92 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 63130203bdd9ddf2cbf93b2de3d1651e Subject: LF: Re: Antenna mast Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD8F87.894C7A60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d504e2d3d210b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD8F87.894C7A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Terry I have put up 60 ft masts with dural scaffold pole and sleeve = joiners. The problem with the method is you need a lot of real estate = and 12 guys. No trouble with "bendies" and a couple of 4m beams on top. = An unguyed pole would need a lot of stiffening, and steel poles will = bend just like dural( I have some bent bits to prove it ) and are much = (much) heavier. I have a 53 foot pole which is a 20ft joined to 16 ft. ( nominal 2in. = dural) these are hinged at about 3ft above ground ( Barenco hinged, = U-bolted plate ) to a 18 foot steel pole set in concrete. The top is 1.5 = inch TV pole( slides nicely inside dural, bottom filled with garden = split cane to stop it bending sharply over the dural end) very floppy = and needs bracing to take sideways wire tension. The central join in the = 1.5in TV pole is a 2ft length of 1.25in steel handrail. The bits were = "to hand" :-)) It currently needs reguying since storms blew tree = branches into the guys. Also 60 ft trees have spead across the wire run = :-((. Alan=20 G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry GW0EZY=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: LF: Antenna mast Graham =20 I understand your surprise at 60ft with scaffold poles! In fact Mark1 = was a disaster with single poles and joints - all bendy in the middle = and no chance of getting it vertical - if you see what I mean!! =20 Mark2 is a different design combination steel and alloy. I'll let you = know if it works and post some photos. At the moment all is going to = plan apart from the Welsh weather. =20 73 Terry =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham Sent: 10 September 2012 16:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Re: Decca NDB on EBay =20 60 ft ! I have 2 x 20 alloy as insulated mast , with saddle = joints , you using steel or alloy ? =20 G. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CD8F87.894C7A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Terry I have put up 60 ft masts with = dural=20 scaffold pole and sleeve joiners. The problem with the method is you = need a lot=20 of real estate and 12 guys. No trouble with "bendies" and a couple = of 4m=20 beams on top. An unguyed pole would need a lot of stiffening, and steel = poles=20 will bend just like dural( I have some bent bits to prove it ) and = are much=20 (much) heavier.
 
 I have a 53 foot pole which is a = 20ft joined=20 to 16 ft. ( nominal 2in. dural) these are hinged at about 3ft above = ground=20 ( Barenco hinged, U-bolted plate ) to a 18 foot steel pole set in = concrete.=20 The top is 1.5 inch TV pole( slides nicely inside dural, bottom filled = with=20 garden split cane to stop it bending sharply over the dural = end) very=20 floppy and needs bracing to take sideways wire tension. The central join = in the=20 1.5in TV pole is a 2ft length of 1.25in steel handrail.  The = bits were=20 "to hand" :-)) It currently needs reguying since storms blew tree = branches into=20 the guys. Also 60 ft trees have spead across the wire run = :-((.
 
Alan 
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Terry = GW0EZY
Sent: Monday, September 10, = 2012 5:54=20 PM
Subject: LF: Antenna mast

Graham

 

I=20 understand your surprise at 60ft with scaffold poles! In fact Mark1 = was a=20 disaster with single poles and joints =96 all bendy in the middle and = no chance=20 of getting it vertical =96 if you see what I = mean!!

 

Mark2=20 is a different design combination steel and alloy. I=92ll let you know = if it=20 works and post some photos. At the moment all is going to plan apart = from the=20 Welsh weather.

 

73=20 Terry

 

From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 10 September 2012=20 16:45
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: = Re: LF:=20 RE: Re: Re: Decca NDB on EBay

 

60 ft  !  I have   2  x = 20 alloy=20 as  insulated  mast , with  saddle  joints  , = you  using  steel or alloy ?

 

G.

 

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