Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7BC9B38000088; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TFXG3-0004wb-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:29:03 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TFXG2-0004wS-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:29:02 +0100 Received: from smtpout2.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.42] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TFXFz-0000R8-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:29:00 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.45.164]) by mwinf5d20 with ME id 2MUy1k0013YXwSi03MUygJ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:28:58 +0200 Message-ID: <10B742EE384D4C1EA636D70E6F507C85@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <41E179E8BC3D497AB344D966959A61C6@White> <505D0DB5.4080108@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <386BA5055A494FEC9164314A593DCB8D@White> <000901cd98a8$7cd20a00$76761e00$@com> <505DB5C3.2040901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <972D0C66C74A41968A7D806701F5EDD6@AGB> <505E001A.4090301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <505E2797.9050007@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <505E2797.9050007@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:28:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Happy days are here again .. and my local MW station is still qrt Yes , ref , your 8K test's some time ago , I remember you reached TH3 ?? , Gary also had a trace from your signal. short range ... Kent ? 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Kent ?=20 Well , OP4H test , ground tests have been carried out in the usa = and several miniature test ranges using the output from a sound = card and a remote Rx at the end of the garden , giving levels = round -45 -50 dB with 'real' noise . 73-G.. =20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Hi G.,=20 Am 22.09.2012 22:54, schrieb Graham:=20 Stefan If you can generate the signal of your previous tests , I don't = think the range will be that short !! Ooh, what was my previous test? I've done several previous tests in the = last 24 hours :-) And please define short range :-) Probably you mean VLF (?). Well, i know that OK2BVG received my complete = call in DFCW-600 on 8970 Hz, while i was using the fixed LF antenna here = and run 350W...500W RF power. So this is to be beaten. OK2BVG is in = about 600 km distance from me. So there are chances for UK stations as = well. I think DF6NM or maybe DD7PC would be a good partner for first digimode = tests. Not to forget Paul Nicholson! Am i right, ther was no OP4H VLF test so far at all? (I mean VLF tests = using RF systems, not a cable from the sound input to output). Yes, it's definitely time for VLF again! 73, Stefan Due to the long tx pulses of OP4 Hr , the signal will also = show on spec-lab , so test data is not lost , if decode fails . The software produces the 8K audio tone via the sound card = and has the com-port on/off keying output as well , normal sound = cards are suitable , the software inputs directly at 8K using = sound card as SDR=20 If you have a target date , I can post in the Op group for = monitor's=20 73-G. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:14 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 I'll give it a try Graham. The problem may be to find monitoring = stations in a short range... 73, Stefan Am 22.09.2012 17:20, schrieb Graham:=20 And of course there is a 240 SDR data mode , all ready = for 8Khz tested to -50 dB as bench mark : )=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 1:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Hi all,=20 Hmmm, theoretically we can generate every WSPR speed now. Markus, = should we try a WSPR-256 on VLF/ 8970 Hz? :-) I still have the big coil = in the cellar and the band looks fine :-) Remember the "old" times... = http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_VLF_Grabber.html 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_001_00D8_01CD9911.A8323990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy  days  are  here  again  .. = and =20 my  local  MW station  is  still  qrt  =  
 
Yes  , ref , your  8K  test's  some  time=20 ago  , I remember  you  reached  TH3 =20 ??    , Gary  also  had a  trace  = from=20 your  signal.
short  range  ...   Kent ?
 
Well  , OP4H test  , ground  tests  have = been =20 carried out  in the  usa  and several   = miniature =20 test  ranges  using the  output  from a  = sound=20 card and a remote  Rx  at the  end of the  = garden ,=20 giving  levels   round  -45 -50 dB with =20 'real'   noise  .
 
73-G..
 
    

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:03 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and=20 -32

Hi G.,

Am 22.09.2012 22:54, schrieb Graham:=20
Stefan
 
If you  can  generate  the signal  of = your =20 previous  tests , I don't  think  the  range  = will  be that  short  !!

Ooh, = what was my=20 previous test? I've done several previous tests in the last 24 hours = :-)
And=20 please define short range :-)
Probably you mean VLF (?). Well, i know = that=20 OK2BVG received my complete call in DFCW-600 on 8970 Hz, while i was = using the=20 fixed LF antenna here and run 350W...500W RF power. So this is to be = beaten.=20 OK2BVG is in about 600 km distance from me. So there are chances for UK = stations=20 as well.
I think DF6NM or maybe DD7PC would be a good partner for = first=20 digimode tests. Not to forget Paul Nicholson!

Am i right, ther = was no=20 OP4H VLF test so far at all? (I mean VLF tests using RF systems, not a = cable=20 from the sound input to output).

Yes, it's definitely time for = VLF=20 again!

73, Stefan

 
Due to the  long  tx pulses  of  OP4 Hr  = ,=20 the  signal  will  also  show  on spec-lab , = so =20 test  data  is not  lost  , if  decode  = fails=20 .
 
The  software  produces  the  8K audio =20 tone  via  the  sound  card and has the = com-port =20 on/off  keying  output as well  ,  normal  = sound=20 cards  are  suitable  , the  software inputs  = directly  at  8K  using  sound  card  = as =20 SDR
 
If you  have a  target  date ,  I can =20 post  in the  Op  group  for  monitor's =
 
73-G.

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:14 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and=20 -32

I'll give it a try Graham. The problem may be to find=20 monitoring stations in a short range...

73, Stefan

Am = 22.09.2012=20 17:20, schrieb Graham:=20
And of course  there  is a  =20 240  SDR  data    mode  , = all =20 ready  for  8Khz  tested  to  -50 dB  = as bench=20 mark   : )

From: Stefan Sch=E4fer
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 1:57 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and=20 -32

Hi all,

Hmmm, theoretically we can generate = every=20 WSPR speed now. Markus, should we try a WSPR-256 on VLF/ 8970 Hz? = :-) I=20 still have the big coil in the cellar and the band looks fine=20 :-)
Remember the "old" times... http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK= 7FC_VLF_Grabber.html

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC
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