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(VPS 120911-0, 11/09/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Terry that is a fairly common picture with joe. If you want some fun, have a look at a geo program like geoclock which shows the sunrise shadow. Ideally you want one that will allow you to declare an altitude......then you want to enter 100km (I think some versions of Geoclock allow this) Then look at the position of the shadow around 0600 and 0630. I think you will find that the shadow is aound 1/4 of the way into the path. This suggests to me that the 2nd ionospheric hop point of the signal has been washed out by the solar radiation. The remaining signal maybe a weak one-hop (!) or possibly one night hop followed by two daytime D-layer hops. I think this is unlikely, but dont role it out, but D-layer daytime skywave is usually weak in the early morning. [...] Content analysis details: (0.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.146.183.189 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: LF: NA in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dl01.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4acf504f50e878b6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Terry that is a fairly common picture with joe. If you want some fun, have a look at a geo program like geoclock which shows the sunrise shadow. Ideally you want one that will allow you to declare an altitude......then you want to enter 100km (I think some versions of Geoclock allow this) Then look at the position of the shadow around 0600 and 0630. I think you will find that the shadow is aound 1/4 of the way into the path. This suggests to me that the 2nd ionospheric hop point of the signal has been washed out by the solar radiation. The remaining signal maybe a weak one-hop (!) or possibly one night hop followed by two daytime D-layer hops. I think this is unlikely, but dont role it out, but D-layer daytime skywave is usually weak in the early morning. Interesting stull this LF propagation :-)) Alan G3NYK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry GW0EZY" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: RE: LF: NA in CT > Joe > > Another report for you. The signal peaked around 04:30 UTC, dipped around > 06:00 (our sunrise) then made a short comeback around 06:30. > > Good luck with your "breeze"! > > 73 Terry GW0EZY > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jcraig@mun.ca > Sent: 11 September 2012 14:01 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep > Subject: Re: LF: NA in CT > > Thanks Jay and Stefan for the reports. > A bit breezy here at the moment: 135 km/hr. Hopefully by the grace of > Mother Nature I will be QRV again tonight. > > 73 > Joe > > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, jrusgrove@comcast.net wrote: > >> Joe >> >> NA 25 dB s/n in 28 mHz tonight. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at > http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2012.php >