Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1FDC93800008D; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TFmeK-0001SC-C4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:55:08 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TFmeJ-0001S3-K0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:55:07 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TFmeG-0003Yi-K9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:55:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhMKAHj5XlBcF/6O/2dsb2JhbABFhgu3GQOBBYEJghsFAQEFCAEBAxYzAhQKDgEBAwUCAQMRBAEBCiECAhQBBBoGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdiAwYNB6VohDGDaBqJRoscgRyDfIESA41nmCGCZw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,469,1344207600"; d="scan'208,217";a="399402817" Received: from host-92-23-254-142.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.254.142]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2012 14:55:02 +0100 Message-ID: <001901cd9993$05d882d0$0501a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <7F2208077DA448F78F384AF5B55DECA0@White> <505DD1D8.70901@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <829FB31FADAD4D4682EC509D2416C9F4@AGB> <005d01cd98fe$74bc6030$0501a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0865DC8F-C867-4D80-8149-D2474B51ED63@gmail.com> <505E55F3.8020502@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <004d01cd9926$26739b50$6401a8c0@JAYDELL> <6ECF47A4215C4DED9E68C3058165ACD5@White> <505F0488.2010709@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <00d501cd998d$0d0d3420$0501a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <505F0C34.7080301@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:54:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 4.9 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan I will TX the odd time when condx are optimum but not Beacon all night. I would like him to reply to me on 7 Mhz CW if he detects me. Most nights after dark I have good propagation to S.America on 7 Mhz. De Mal/G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (4.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.239 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.5 FSL_XM_419 Old OE version in X-Mailer only seen in 419 spam -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.1 FSL_UA FSL_UA 2.2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 8fff1948093e2e02df26fa392c066ea9 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CD9993.0589C690" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d6018505f15046e75 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CD9993.0589C690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan I will TX the odd time when condx are optimum but not Beacon all night. = I would like him to reply to me on 7 Mhz CW if he detects me. Most nights after dark I have good propagation to S.America on 7 Mhz.=20 De Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Mal,=20 You have the strongest signal in the UK. Yesterday, Martin/YV7MAE told me that he has managed to get a 6 dB = improvement (i.e. noise reduction) with his E/H combiner. So there is a = real chance to leave traces on his grabber. Will you at least join in soon, in very good old QRSS-60 (or 30 = likewise) ? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.09.2012 15:12, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Like you say Stefan the modes are changing daily and there are too = few operators to cover all these various modes.=20 I expect it will all fizzle out eventually and then back to CW, QRSS = and possible OPERA Opera was gathering momentum when there was suddenly a Mode change = and now the few LF/MF operators are all scattered On HF there is more consistancy as I said earlier when it comes to = data modes RTTY is the most prominent with some PSK31 but there is more normal hand sent CW about than anything else plus = SSB. The LF/MF bands are becomming too fragmented both by Mode and = Frequency.=20 Meanwhile I am back to HF dxing on CW and looking around the lower = freqs for CW acty.=20 Watching 472- 479 and 501 - 504 and 136- 138 approx de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32 Hi Markus, Jay, Terry, Chris, LF,=20 Thanks for the yesterdays WSPR-8 tests! Somehow i thought there would be a more general interest in these = experiments but maybe it is to complex? Don't know... Another effect may = be that we try daily change the modes. But this is experimenting. I hope = that WSPR-32 will be a more serious alternative. From what we saw in = WSPR-8, WSPR-32 must be very promising and i'm optimistic to have a = decode from Venezuela! The line on the map: = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/WSPR-8_test.png to W1VD is very = bulky :-) There were 11 decode by W1VD: Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az=20 2012-09-23 05:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -23 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 03:48 DK7FC 0.136164 -25 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 03:28 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 02:48 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 02:28 DK7FC 0.136164 -26 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 02:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -23 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 01:28 DK7FC 0.136164 -25 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 01:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 00:28 DK7FC 0.136164 -26 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-23 00:08 DK7FC 0.136164 -27 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-09-22 23:48 DK7FC 0.136223 -26 0 JN49ik 1 = W1VD FN31ls 6099 295 =20 Only 2 of them would have been in the range for WSPR-2 decodes. So = the slower mode certainly helped to cover a wider time range. There are 3 grabbers showing the occupied bandwidth of WSPR-8 and = later WSPR-32: http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/lfgrabber.htm http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.htm = http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK7FC_LF_DX_Grabber.html Markus, i would agree to move to WSPR-32 now. Same QRG. Will be = interesting to see the new spectrograms and the possible distances! :-) = Oh, i musn't forget to add a switch across the cap of the watchdog timer = ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.09.2012 10:53, schrieb Markus Vester:=20 Thanks very much Jay, Terry and Chris for taking the effort to = receive and report our experiment, and of course to Stefan for = suggesting it in the first place. I think the expected gain in = sensitivity is evident, even though there is no "miracle machine" of = course. I have now ended the WSPR-8 transmission from Nuernberg for = today.=20 How would you like to proceed from here? Try WSPR-32 next? = Perhaps a slow WSPR experiment on MF? Or wait for Joe's 8-FSK mode JT8 = which might knock off another dB? BTW I don't use a transverter for MF, but an FE-5680A Rubidium = synthesizer which can be controlled to generate WSPR directly. Best wishes, and have a nice Sunday, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CD9993.0589C690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Stefan
I will TX the odd time when condx are optimum = but not=20 Beacon all night. I would like him to reply to me on 7 Mhz CW if he = detects=20 me.
Most nights after dark I have good propagation = to=20 S.America on 7 Mhz.
De Mal/G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Sunday, September 23, = 2012 1:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: = Experimental=20 software for WSPR-8 and -32

Mal,

You have the strongest signal in the=20 UK.
Yesterday, Martin/YV7MAE told me that he has managed to get a 6 = dB=20 improvement (i.e. noise reduction) with his E/H combiner. So there is = a real=20 chance to leave traces on his grabber.

Will you at least join = in soon,=20 in very good old QRSS-60 (or 30 likewise) ?

73, = Stefan/DK7FC

Am=20 23.09.2012 15:12, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Like you say Stefan the modes are changing = daily and=20 there are too few operators to cover all these various modes. =
I expect it will all fizzle out eventually = and then=20 back to CW, QRSS and possible OPERA
Opera was gathering momentum when there was = suddenly a=20 Mode change and now the few LF/MF operators are all = scattered
On HF there is more consistancy as I = said earlier=20 when it comes to data modes RTTY is the most prominent with some=20 PSK31
but there is more normal hand sent = CW about than=20 anything else plus SSB.
The LF/MF bands are becomming too fragmented = both by=20 Mode and Frequency.
Meanwhile I am back to HF dxing on CW = and looking=20 around the lower freqs for CW acty.
Watching 472- 479 and 501 - 504 and 136- 138 = approx
 
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent:=20 Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:46 PM Subject:=20 Re: LF: Re: Experimental software for WSPR-8 and -32

Hi Markus, Jay, Terry, Chris, LF,

Thanks = for the=20 yesterdays WSPR-8 tests!

Somehow i thought there would be a = more=20 general interest in these experiments but maybe it is to complex? = Don't=20 know... Another effect may be that we try daily change the modes. = But this=20 is experimenting. I hope that WSPR-32 will be a more serious = alternative.=20 From what we saw in WSPR-8, WSPR-32 must be very promising and i'm = optimistic to have a decode from Venezuela!

The line on the = map: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/WSPR-8_test= .png=20 to W1VD is very bulky :-)
There were 11 decode by W1VD:
Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2012-09-23 05:08   DK7FC   0.136164   -23   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 03:48   DK7FC   0.136164   -25   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 03:28   DK7FC   0.136164   -27   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 02:48   DK7FC   0.136164   -27   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 02:28   DK7FC   0.136164   -26   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 02:08   DK7FC   0.136164   -23   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 01:28   DK7FC   0.136164   -25   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 01:08   DK7FC   0.136164   -27   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 00:28   DK7FC   0.136164   -26   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-23 00:08   DK7FC   0.136164   -27   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-09-22 23:48   DK7FC   0.136223   -26   0   JN49ik   1   W1VD   FN31ls   6099   295 

Only 2 of=20 them would have been in the range for WSPR-2 decodes. So the = slower mode=20 certainly helped to cover a wider time range.

There are 3 = grabbers=20 showing the occupied bandwidth of WSPR-8 and later = WSPR-32:

http://qsl.net/4x1rf/yo/lfgrabber.htm
http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.h= tm
http://www.iup.uni-heidelberg.de/schaefer_vlf/DK= 7FC_LF_DX_Grabber.html

Markus,=20 i would agree to move to WSPR-32 now. Same QRG. Will be = interesting to see=20 the new spectrograms and the possible distances! :-) Oh, i musn't = forget=20 to add a switch across the cap of the watchdog timer = ;-)

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC




Am 23.09.2012 10:53, schrieb = Markus=20 Vester:=20
Thanks very much Jay, Terry = and Chris=20 for taking the effort to receive and report our = experiment,=20 and of course to Stefan for suggesting it in the first = place. I=20 think the expected gain in sensitivity is evident, even=20 though there is no "miracle machine" of course.=20 I have now ended the = WSPR-8=20 transmission from Nuernberg for today.
 
How would you like to proceed = from here?=20 Try WSPR-32 next? Perhaps a slow WSPR experiment on MF? = Or wait=20 for Joe's 8-FSK mode JT8 which might knock off another=20 dB?
 
BTW I don't use a transverter = for MF,=20 but an FE-5680A Rubidium synthesizer which can be = controlled=20 to generate WSPR directly.
 
Best wishes, and have a nice=20 Sunday,
Markus=20 = (DF6NM)

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