Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8473A3801CF2C; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Szb6p-0001I4-17 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:21:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Szb6o-0001Hv-Ib for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:21:38 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Szb6m-0003gA-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:21:37 +0100 Received: by obqv19 with SMTP id v19so3162103obq.16 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:21:35 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=o2jC7Ea+fHq4f6qsR74nDYj/TY6Qp0n1x7v8/LXVW/M=; b=uDDEW62GQTHJGz79Ze4ahHuCDVYWYFKoSSYK4JXvXxXf4mBeG8gpybaTWDZfYQAMUy 1tYSElwRNuWSDCvYvcshV5hauIx7BCpSbt/bkrIaqfEcsc4JkjC4HzEELz5/RWcz1Wfl MlsObLYS37fw+MTAGsCRZsadFNGlTWrOJnwaNdb8Z6obyqQCDVOaykLLzrCsGgNTMo3+ 3DF8WDXe4c42u2Y1DhYuT9tnti9FdDRZ7fKasRE5y9NoHP/i1HupAsWgJALl4sBN6QV6 FzuAoobH2NWcMgyh5sO/PV9KZ6Pkj1uLPqvZD5RT5RaMgHCKGCdQujNxyt0j5LbL9mnK jb8Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.17.42 with SMTP id l10mr1214332obd.52.1344550895141; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.39.10 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:21:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50243066.3070302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <5022E802.30404@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <50230604.9040801@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <50238984.4060106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <50243066.3070302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:21:35 +1000 Message-ID: From: Dimitrios Tsifakis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Well, that's why I thought the monster IXYS FET I used, which is > obviously an overkill, will probably be hard to kill. I can't possibly > exceed the 55 A current limit (it's fused to much less than that) > > However the peak current in the class E is much higher than the average DC > current of the supply/battery. 55A peak current at 12V DC supply voltage and > 100W RF power is not to unrealistic, if the load impedance is a bit > sub-optimal ;-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dtsifakis[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 046f068074e745d5c60ca47deee9b503 Subject: Re: LF: Caps for Class-E amp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608b502438252579 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none > Well, that's why I thought the monster IXYS FET I used, which is > obviously an overkill, will probably be hard to kill. I can't possibly > exceed the 55 A current limit (it's fused to much less than that) > > However the peak current in the class E is much higher than the average DC > current of the supply/battery. 55A peak current at 12V DC supply voltage and > 100W RF power is not to unrealistic, if the load impedance is a bit > sub-optimal ;-) The simulator tells me that the peak to peak current across the FET (at 200 W output) is about 24 A. Long way from 55 A, so we should be fine. When /p, I will be probably using a single 12 V battery which will result in about 50 W output. The FET will be half asleep at that power level ;-) > What type of IXYS FET do you use? IXFN55N50. That's what I was given. By the way, I like the screw terminal FETs, if I ever blow this up, I can easily replace it in-situ! ;-) > For a 24V 200W class E is would use a IRFP260N. Just for fun, that one would > be nice too: IRFP4568 Check out that data sheet. May be a bit hard to drive > the gate at 137 kHz, maybe to hard for a ICL7667 but a IXDD614 will have no > problem at all. > > Sorry, i just like the topic. Of course your concept will work too! The Ciss is quite similar to the one I am using now - ~10 nF, so I am thinking that the TC4420 will probably be OK to drive the IRFP4568, but if not, I would use a TC4422. Both these FET drivers are cheap on eBay. I like the topic too! It's like being in a candy store, which FET should you use first! I like them all ;-) 73, Dimitris