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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Stefan DX monitors are the ''same'' distance , but looking at the map, the next hops are into the unknown or salt water ! 'We' need someone who could code a simple data base , to store the decode -data , at the moment everything is being lost , the adif facility on the psk-map, seems not to be functioning as advertised , but with the map , all 'we' need is a simple searchable data base , Jose has the server running now, supporting Ros and Op mode's interims of chat , distance etc ... 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'We' need someone who could code a simple data base , to store = the decode -data , at the moment everything is being lost , the = adif facility on the psk-map, seems not to be functioning as = advertised , but with the map , all 'we' need is a simple = searchable data base , Jose has the server running now, supporting = Ros and Op mode's interims of chat , distance etc ...=20 Any ideas .... ?=20 It would be nice to have a complete overview in that map of what was = worked by a specific station or band in a specific mode. I'm doing that = manually in google earth for my LF DX but it is not possible to show = completely since it is a 2D map. One example = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC-YV7MAE.png >>> Well that would be possible , but without someone who is = capable in web-sites and data base programming ....... there is = nothing that can be done =20 Its not a big task , any student , in computing could make such a = data base quite simply .there are some web-security issues with = sql, but .. the problem is finding someone=20 Mike is reporting a longer window to TF3 last night and better = s/n so , slowly things are getting better =20 Tnx -G.. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 1:31 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: OP8 overnight on 136k G3XDV + DK7FC - virtual audio = cable... Am 07.08.2012 01:57, schrieb Graham:=20 Interesting Stefan,=20 Is it possible for Venezuela to monitor Op tests ?=20 Yes it is. Martin is a digimode man but spent a lot of work in his = antenna system and grabber. OP will be possible but not without SpecLab = and a second soundcard or that virtual audio cable software. BTW can = somebody give some useful informations about that software? So far i'm = using 2 soundcards to receive the output of one SpecLab instance in = another (or in Opera). So far there is no chance for me to leave a trace in the EU60 grabber = window at YV7MAE. So there is no chance for OP32. Hopefully the = situation will improve soon so that many EU amateurs can leave a trace = there. He has now built a very large loop and set it on the top of the shack. = Maybe not the best location but it is so big that it doesn't find a = place in the garden, hi. I asked him if i can publish a photo... OP8 is doing a good job at the moment ? Not better than yesterday ;-) I have been decoded in 4X which is the best distance for me so far. But = i think copies to VO1NA or UA4WPF should be no problem as well. static should not be a problem as the impulse time V tx pulse = is very short , , but as you say, with a raised noise floor , = the s/n decrease ?=20 Ehm, yes. If the "next" pulse starts before the "fiirst" one is = finished, and so on, then it is a never ending impulse. Oh dear, not a = very proffessional explanation but you know what i mean. If the average = noise floor due to QRN rises, then the S/N decreases of course... Looking at the PSK map, all the 136 monitors are roughly the = same distance ? ??? You can see that DF2JP is in 245 km distance and 4X1RF is in 2848 km = distance... are there stations located at the next skip ?=20 May be answered by Alan Melia. I think 4X1RF and TF3HZ is still one hop. = UA4WPF will probably be a 2 hop distance. 'We' need someone who could code a simple data base , to = store the decode -data , at the moment everything is being lost = , the adif facility on the psk-map, seems not to be functioning as = advertised , but with the map , all 'we' need is a simple = searchable data base , Jose has the server running now, supporting = Ros and Op mode's interims of chat , distance etc ...=20 Any ideas .... ?=20 It would be nice to have a complete overview in that map of what was = worked by a specific station or band in a specific mode. I'm doing that = manually in google earth for my LF DX but it is not possible to show = completely since it is a 2D map. One example = https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC-YV7MAE.png There are many ideas for a new OP version i think. One is surely to = allow a frequency shift so a decode can be achieved at e.g. 12550 Hz = instead of 1550 Hz! In WSPR this is possible (i heared about that from = someone :-) )... 73, Stefan/DK7FC GL , 73 -G..=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:40 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: OP8 overnight on 136k G3XDV + DK7FC G.., There is a lot of QRN in EU today, so the levels are noticably lower. = However the OP8 path is open to 4X and to TF of course :-). Looks like = July/August is the most difficult month(s) in the year. Here we can find = the wamest nights of the year, rather than in May/June. But now we're = loosing 3 minutes between sunrise and sunset each day here... There are also clear S/N improvements on the path to Venezuela, which = i observe each night. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 06.08.2012 23:39, schrieb Graham:=20 All>>> OP8 overnight on 136k May also be DK7FC Storms permitting I will be sending Opera8 overnight tonight on 137.648kHz (136.000 dial). It looks like DK7FC is active, too. 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Ok Stefan
 
DX monitors  are the  ''same''  distance , but  = looking  at the  map, the  next hops  are into = the =20 unknown  or  salt water  !
 
 
'We' need  someone  who  could  code  = a =20 simple  data  base , to  store  the  decode = -data =20 , at the  moment  everything  is  being  lost , = the  adif  facility on the  psk-map, seems  not = to =20 be  functioning as  advertised , but  with the  map = ,=20 all  'we'  need  is a  simple  searchable  = data=20 base , Jose  has the  server running  now, = supporting =20 Ros  and Op mode's   interims of  chat , = distance  etc=20 ...
 
Any  ideas  .... ?
It would be nice to have a = complete=20 overview in that map of what was worked by a specific station or band in = a=20 specific mode. I'm doing that manually in google earth for my LF DX but = it is=20 not possible to show completely since it is a 2D map. One example https://dl= .dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC-YV7MAE.png
 
>>> Well  that  would  be  possible ,=20 but  without someone  who  is  capable  in=20 web-sites  and  data  base programming  = .......  there=20 is nothing  that  can be done 
 
Its not a  big task , any  student  , in =20 computing  could  make such a data  base  = quite  simply=20 .there  are  some  web-security issues  with  = sql,=20 but .. the  problem  is  finding  someone
 
Mike  is  reporting  a  longer  window = to =20 TF3  last  night  and  better  s/n  = so  ,=20 slowly  things  are  getting  better 
 
Tnx -G..
 
 

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 1:31 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: OP8 overnight on 136k G3XDV + DK7FC - = virtual audio=20 cable...


Am 07.08.2012 01:57, schrieb Graham:=20
Interesting Stefan,
 
Is it possible  for  Venezuela  to  = monitor  Op=20 tests  ?
Yes it is. Martin is a digimode = man but=20 spent a lot of work in his antenna system and grabber. OP will be = possible but=20 not without SpecLab and a second soundcard or that virtual audio = cable=20 software. BTW can somebody give some useful informations about that=20 software? So far i'm using 2 soundcards to receive the output of one = SpecLab=20 instance in another (or in Opera).

So far there is no chance for = me to=20 leave a trace in the EU60 grabber window at YV7MAE. So there is no = chance for=20 OP32. Hopefully the situation will improve soon so that many EU amateurs = can=20 leave a trace there.

He has now built a very large loop and set = it on the=20 top of the shack. Maybe not the best location but it is so big that it = doesn't=20 find a place in the garden, hi. I asked him if i can publish a = photo...

OP8 is  doing  a  good  job  at = the =20 moment  ?
Not better than yesterday ;-)
I = have been=20 decoded in 4X which is the best distance for me so far. But i think = copies to=20 VO1NA or UA4WPF should be no problem as well.

static  should  not  be a  problem as = the =20 impulse time  V  tx pulse is very  short , , but  = as =20 you  say,  with a  raised  noise  floor  = ,=20 the  s/n  decrease ?
Ehm, yes. If the = "next" pulse=20 starts before the "fiirst" one is finished, and so on, then it is a = never ending=20 impulse. Oh dear, not a very proffessional explanation but you know what = i mean.=20 If the average noise floor due to QRN rises, then the S/N decreases of=20 course...

 
Looking  at the  PSK map,  all  the  136 = monitors  are  roughly  the  same  = distance =20 ?
??? You can see that DF2JP is in 245 km distance = and 4X1RF=20 is in 2848 km distance...

are  there  stations located  at the  = next =20 skip  ?
May be answered by Alan Melia. I think = 4X1RF and=20 TF3HZ is still one hop. UA4WPF will probably be a 2 hop = distance.

 
'We' need  someone  who  could  code  = a =20 simple  data  base , to  store  the  decode=20 -data  , at the  moment  everything  is  = being =20 lost , the  adif  facility on the  psk-map, seems  = not=20 to  be  functioning as  advertised , but  with = the =20 map , all  'we'  need  is a  simple  = searchable =20 data base , Jose  has the  server running  now,=20 supporting  Ros  and Op mode's   interims of  = chat ,=20 distance  etc ...
 
Any  ideas  .... ?
It would be nice = to have a=20 complete overview in that map of what was worked by a specific station = or band=20 in a specific mode. I'm doing that manually in google earth for my LF DX = but it=20 is not possible to show completely since it is a 2D map. One example https://dl= .dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC-YV7MAE.png

There=20 are many ideas for a new OP version i think. One is surely to allow a = frequency=20 shift so a decode can be achieved at e.g. 12550 Hz instead of  1550 = Hz! In=20 WSPR this is possible (i heared about that from someone :-) = )...

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC

 
GL , 73 -G..
 
 

Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: LF: OP8 overnight on 136k G3XDV +=20 DK7FC

G..,

There is a lot of QRN in EU today, so the = levels=20 are noticably lower. However the OP8 path is open to 4X and to TF of = course=20 :-). Looks like July/August is the most difficult month(s) in the = year. Here=20 we can find the wamest nights of the year, rather than in May/June. = But now=20 we're loosing 3 minutes between sunrise and sunset each day = here...
There=20 are also clear S/N improvements on the path to Venezuela, which i = observe each=20 night.

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 06.08.2012 23:39, schrieb = Graham:=20
All>>>  OP8 overnight on 136k
 
 
May also be DK7FC

Storms permitting I will be sending = Opera8=20 overnight tonight on
137.648kHz (136.000 dial). It looks like = DK7FC is=20 active, too.

Mike, G3XDV
 
G..
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