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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: No matter Markus, English is a funny language at the best of time's and the slang can be even more difficult ... hihi Well , the Op mode design criteria was not to develop , the ultimate low noise data mode , It was to allow access to data transmission with the most simple transmitter , I think in this capacity , the mode has achieved its primary goal. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 30a9375b870b42ebea4881b0b1ccd635 Subject: Re: LF: What is that effect? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD7A1C.B2094F80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d6017502a3dfb4137 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD7A1C.B2094F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No matter Markus, English is a funny language at the best of = time's and the slang can be even more difficult ... hihi =20 Well , the Op mode design criteria was not to develop , the = ultimate low noise data mode , It was to allow access to data = transmission with the most simple transmitter , I think in this = capacity , the mode has achieved its primary goal. What has been coded by Jose and what was envisaged are quite far = apart, but in hind sight , perhaps not un-expected outcome , = changing the modulation system could gain another 6 dB of = sensitivity , but then , its deployment is restricted to more = advanced systems , catch-22=20 Of course time is used to lower the s/n by increasing the energy = and CPU usage is deployed to recover the signal , but these are = immovable objects, time locking could be used to reduce the CPU = loading , but then portable / field work would not be possible = .. =20 It is a 'one pass' data mode and in this capacity as far can be = gathered , is the lowest s/n at the moment , but the main thing is = , its given access to bands that normally where considered out = of most stations reach ! As I say =20 ' The best thing about Op is the number of reasons it will not = work '=20 All we need now is for some one to 'go fly a kite ' on 8Khz ; -) = 73 -G .. ( ''Go fly a Kite'' also has two senses ! ) From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:14 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: What is that effect? Hi Graham, oops, I'm sorry I wasn't aware that the verb "honk" is also used as = described as "Sense 4" on http://www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/honk.htm Though I do not share the belief that Opera mode is the latest and = greatest achievement in weak signal technology, I certainly did not = intend to insult it, or anyone working with it. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Graham An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Di, 14 Aug 2012 12:01 am Betreff: Re: LF: What is that effect? As its a 'Opera' signal could be a little 'VIBRATO' adding = artistic effect ? Though, 'HONK Mode' could be misinterpreted ...............=20 G :0) From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: What is that effect? Stefan which effect do you mean? - the undecipherable garbage in Morse code? Must be toot-toot mode *) - the gap in the middle, between "ts" and "nr"? Must have been a = temporary outage on the transmit side, or a SpecLab timewarp at G4WGT. - The weak +- 10 Hz sidelines at the beginning? Probably a spurious = modulation from the transmitter or power supply, or perhaps an artifact = the receiver AGC, acting on a pair of local signals outside the = spectrogram range. Or a Perseid meteor trail, moving at 20 km/s (no, not = really). Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) *) Here in DL (and probably elsewhere), there is a wedding rite that the = newly married couple is driving from church in a flower decorated car, = followed by their friends and relatives in a convoy of cars. They follow = a white chalk line painted on the street **), and usually keep honking = their horns in an erratic manner. Listening to one or several = instantaneous Opera signals never fails to remind me of that sound - so = I privately dubbed it "honk mode". **) Rumour has it that this white line is primarily meant to guide the = couple in safe distance around the houses of their former lovers. From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: What is that effect? LF, Just seen this on the G4WGT garbber, see attachment. Where does this=20 frequency spreading effect come from? Experts: go! 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD7A1C.B2094F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No matter Markus,  English  is a  funny  = language =20 at the  best of time's  and the  slang  can = be =20 even  more difficult  ...  hihi  
 
Well , the  Op mode  design  criteria  = was =20 not  to  develop , the  ultimate low  noise  = data =20 mode , It was  to  allow  access to  data =20 transmission  with the  most  simple  transmitter , = I think=20 in this  capacity , the  mode  has  achieved = its =20 primary goal.
 
What  has been  coded  by Jose  and what =20 was  envisaged are  quite  far  apart, but in = hind =20 sight , perhaps  not  un-expected outcome , changing the  = modulation  system  could gain another  6 dB of  = sensitivity=20 , but  then , its  deployment is  restricted to=20  more  advanced systems , catch-22
 
Of course time  is  used to  lower the  = s/n by=20  increasing  the  energy    and  CPU  = usage  is  deployed  to  recover the signal , = but =20 these are  immovable  objects, time locking  could  = be =20 used to  reduce the  CPU loading , but  then  = portable =20 / field  work  would  not  be  possible .. =  
 
It is a 'one pass'  data  mode and in this  = capacity as=20 far  can be  gathered , is  the  lowest   = s/n=20  at the  moment , but the main thing is , its given  =20 access  to  bands that  normally  where =20 considered  out of  most  stations  reach !
 
As I say 
 
' The  best  thing about Op is the  number of = reasons =20 it  will not  work '
 
All  we need  now  is  for  some  one = to  'go fly a kite ' on 8Khz  ; -)
 
73 -G ..
 
( ''Go fly a Kite''   also  has  two senses=20  ! )

From: Markus Vester
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:14 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: What is that effect?

Hi Graham,
 
oops, = I'm sorry = I wasn't aware that the verb "honk" is also used as=20 described as "Sense 4" on
http://www.audio= english.net/dictionary/honk.htm
 
Though I do not share the belief that Opera mode is the latest = and=20 greatest achievement in weak signal technology, I certainly did not = intend to=20 insult it, or anyone working with it.
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
An: rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 14 Aug 2012 = 12:01=20 am
Betreff: Re: LF: What is that effect?

As its  a  'Opera'   signal  could = be  a=20 little  'VIBRATO' adding  artistic  effect  ?
 
Though,   'HONK Mode'   could  be =20 misinterpreted  ...............
 
G :0)
From: Markus Vester
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:15 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: What is that effect?

Stefan
 
which effect do you mean?
 
- the undecipherable garbage in Morse = code? Must be=20 toot-toot mode *)
 
- the gap in the middle, between "ts" = and "nr"?=20 Must have been a temporary outage on the transmit side, or a SpecLab = timewarp at=20 G4WGT.
 
- The weak +- 10 Hz sidelines at the=20 beginning? Probably a spurious modulation from the transmitter = or=20 power supply, or perhaps an artifact the receiver AGC, acting on a pair = of local=20 signals outside the spectrogram range. Or a Perseid meteor trail, moving = at 20=20 km/s (no, not really).
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
*) Here in DL (and probably elsewhere), = there is a wedding rite that the newly married = couple=20 is driving from church in a flower decorated car, followed by = their=20 friends and relatives in a convoy of cars. They follow a white chalk = line=20 painted on the street **), and usually keep honking their horns in = an=20 erratic manner. Listening to one = or several=20 instantaneous Opera signals never fails to remind me of that sound - so = I=20 privately dubbed it "honk mode".
 
**) Rumour has it that this white line = is primarily=20 meant to guide the couple in safe distance around the houses of their = former=20 lovers.
 
 
From: Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 4:33 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: What is that effect?

LF,

Just seen this on the G4WGT = garbber, see=20 attachment. Where does this
frequency spreading effect come=20 from?

Experts: go!

73, Stefan
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