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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: LF, Currently i'm working on a E-H combiner together with Martin/YV7MAE in Venezuela. He has a well working E field antenna, about 80m wire, some m up, resonated with a ferrite rod and a variable transformer and some output turns on a separate winding and a separate LF earth system. The bandwidth is wide and the signal levela are high. He also has a loop which is resonated to 137 khz. He can see and hear DCF-39 in 8000 km without problems in a 300 Hz CW filter. With this loop he can receive my DFCW-90, so far the best S/N was 15 dB in 22 mHz. The loop is very directional. Turning the loop by +-15 deg shows a clear decrease of the DCF S/N. 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He also has a loop which is resonated to 137 khz. He can see and hear DCF-39 in 8000 km without problems in a 300 Hz CW filter. With this loop he can receive my DFCW-90, so far the best S/N was 15 dB in 22 mHz. The loop is very directional. Turning the loop by +-15 deg shows a clear decrease of the DCF S/N. Now we're planning to combine the two signal sources to obtain a cardioidal pattern like the K9AY and similar provides (used by W1VD, F1AFJ and others). The signal levels of both, the E and H antenna are producing roughly the same signal levels on the RX (difference < 5 dB). This is the circuit that we want to try tonite: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DSC04412.JPG The H component is fixed and then it is possible to "add" a certain E level, hopefully resulting in some noise reduction of QRN coming from the backside (SW). Later, the F/B may be optimised by adding some C on the loop to change the resonance and so the phase between E and H. Does someone have additional advice or tried a similar project? Is there a better way to start? Note that just one ferrite core is available, i.e. no high end, low noise op amps and so on. 73, Stefan/DK7FC