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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Am 09.08.2012 23:33, schrieb Dimitrios Tsifakis: > Well, that's why I thought the monster IXYS FET I used, which is > obviously an overkill, will probably be hard to kill. I can't possibly > exceed the 55 A current limit (it's fused to much less than that) However the peak current in the class E is much higher than the average DC current of the supply/battery. 55A peak current at 12V DC supply voltage and 100W RF power is not to unrealistic, if the load impedance is a bit sub-optimal ;-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 24b65a258fa7a3a87cfdaa03bb2f3176 Subject: Re: LF: Caps for Class-E amp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090909080403070205090002" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608a502431410677 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090909080403070205090002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 09.08.2012 23:33, schrieb Dimitrios Tsifakis: > Well, that's why I thought the monster IXYS FET I used, which is > obviously an overkill, will probably be hard to kill. I can't possibly > exceed the 55 A current limit (it's fused to much less than that) However the peak current in the class E is much higher than the average DC current of the supply/battery. 55A peak current at 12V DC supply voltage and 100W RF power is not to unrealistic, if the load impedance is a bit sub-optimal ;-) What type of IXYS FET do you use? For a 24V 200W class E is would use a IRFP260N. Just for fun, that one would be nice too: IRFP4568 Check out that data sheet. May be a bit hard to drive the gate at 137 kHz, maybe to hard for a ICL7667 but a IXDD614 will have no problem at all. Sorry, i just like the topic. Of course your concept will work too! > and > I won't exceed the drain (or gate) limits as it's already quite high > (500 V) but also I will add a beefy transzord or zener to ensure > compliance. The capacitors are maybe more likely to get damaged, so > that's something I need to consider by overengineering that part. > > In any case, I won't experiment with kites, just good ol' plain earth > antennas which are quite robust mechanically and won't fall on the > ground because they are already there :-) > LOL! That is nice! Wish you good luck. 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > 73, Dimitris VK1SV > --------------090909080403070205090002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Am 09.08.2012 23:33, schrieb Dimitrios Tsifakis:
Well, that's why I thought the monster IXYS FET I used, which is
obviously an overkill, will probably be hard to kill. I can't possibly
exceed the 55 A current limit (it's fused to much less than that)
However the peak current in the class E is much higher than the average DC current of the supply/battery. 55A peak current at 12V DC supply voltage and 100W RF power is not to unrealistic, if the load impedance is a bit sub-optimal ;-)

What type of IXYS FET do you use?

For a 24V 200W class E is would use a IRFP260N. Just for fun, that one would be nice too: IRFP4568 Check out that data sheet. May be a bit hard to drive the gate at 137 kHz, maybe to hard for a ICL7667 but a IXDD614 will have no problem at all.

Sorry, i just like the topic. Of course your concept will work too!

 
 and
I won't exceed the drain (or gate) limits as it's already quite high
(500  V) but also I will add a beefy transzord or zener to ensure
compliance. The capacitors are maybe more likely to get damaged, so
that's something I need to consider by overengineering that part.

In any case, I won't experiment with kites, just good ol' plain earth
antennas which are quite robust mechanically and won't fall on the
ground because they are already there :-)
  
LOL! That is nice!

Wish you good luck.

73, Stefan/DK7FC


73, Dimitris VK1SV
  
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