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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Dimitris, What i forgot to say: Actually i can not recommend a class E for /p purposes. A class E is a fine thing and it is fascinating to see that one can generate 1 kW with a single FET and > 95% efficiency and without any ferrite transformers. But the efficiency and voltages and currents are highly dependant on the load resistance and eventual reactive components. As long as the SWR is < 1:1.5 or so, it is fine but then it becomes critical. I lost a FET in the field while using a 100m kite vertical antenna. The kite dropped and i wasn't watching for a minute and then BAANG! If you use the class E at home, in a fixed antenna installation with known and stable SWR, then this is fine. But if you are in the field and don't know the feed point impedance, i think a voltage- or current-mode class D using 2 FETs against ground and a ferrite transformer performs better. Here you also have more flexibility because you can use various taps (and so power levels and/or impedance matching) on the secondary winding... For example, my MF class D https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png works at 12V as well and is much less critical regarding mismatch... 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A class E is a fine thing and it is fascinating to see that one can generate 1 kW with a single FET and > 95% efficiency and without any ferrite transformers. But the efficiency and voltages and currents are highly dependant on the load resistance and eventual reactive components. As long as the SWR is < 1:1.5 or so, it is fine but then it becomes critical. I lost a FET in the field while using a 100m kite vertical antenna. The kite dropped and i wasn't watching for a minute and then BAANG! If you use the class E at home, in a fixed antenna installation with known and stable SWR, then this is fine. But if you are in the field and don't know the feed point impedance, i think a voltage- or current-mode class D using 2 FETs against ground and a ferrite transformer performs better. Here you also have more flexibility because you can use various taps (and so power levels and/or impedance matching) on the secondary winding... For example, my MF class D https://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/MF/100W%20475kHz%20PA.png works at 12V as well and is much less critical regarding mismatch... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 09.08.2012 03:08, schrieb Dimitrios Tsifakis: >>> Output impedance is about 1.4 ohm. I have designed it to produce 50 W >>> at 12 V and of course 200 W at 24V. >>> >> Yes, good idea. In /p for moderate power and at home in QRO :-) >> > That's exactly the idea :-) Also, if all components are selectedfor a > QRO operation, they will probably survive any kind of dodgy condition > you may encounter in the field. > > >>> I work in multiples of 12 V as I >>> normally use big SLA batteries to power my equipment. The FET is a >>> monster IXYS 500V/55A FET which should be bombproof. >>> >> But you could have much lower on-resistances when using a 100V FET. 200W at >> 24V is no problem though. IXYS is mostly a good choice. But quite expensive. >> Once you lost a pair of them you begin to think to go back to the IRFP >> types, at least i have done so ;-) >> > I did not buy that FET, I was given it by a friend who bought it for a > project but ended up not using it. The Rds(on) is 0.09 ohm, which is > not that bad. Higher Rds(on) will result in a bit more heat on the > heat sink and slightly less power for the same supply voltage, but no > other serious side effect. The biggest problem with using a monster > FET is the Ciss which is about 10 nF. This makes it a bit more > difficult to drive than other smaller FETs, even at 137 kHz. But I > found that the TC4420 (6 A peak) FET driver that I had in my junk box, > seems to be happy with that Ciss/frequency combination. > > 73, Dimitris VK1SV >