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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tnx Jan Yes , the data server is something that needs to be constructed , but upto now , no one is looking at this ... may be when the Op beacon is part of the new VHF fixed beacons , then someone will take a look ! , JR is only DSP ! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: c8ff00257edaad8e124ab9389da9609a Subject: Re: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:386174496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4ffa8f07225c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Tnx Jan Yes , the data server is something that needs to be constructed , but upto now , no one is looking at this ... may be when the Op beacon is part of the new VHF fixed beacons , then someone will take a look ! , JR is only DSP ! There are searches and downloads that can be taken from the PSK-Reporter system .... Im not sure as to what can be extracted .. something that needs to be investigated ? There are some major differences with wspr/Op Not all stations can Tx wspr on MF due to TX construction, wspr = fsk Op = on/off keying OP used average s/n measurements Hopefully more stations will monitor wspr + Opera , so that all stations are able to use beacons etc 73 -G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "pa3abk" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:36 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR > It was nice to see that Gerhard used both modes after each other. > > Opera: > 23:16 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 506 km -29 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w + 40 > Meter En > 21:40 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 506 km -24 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w + 40 > Meter En > > And WSPR: > 2318 -25 -0.3 0.478512 0 DK6NI JN59 20 > 2144 -20 -0.7 0.478513 0 DK6NI JN59 20 > > As you can see it's a benefit if you can run both progs from the same > "carrier" frequency. > > I'm still more in favour for WSPR. > Opera is simple, it just starts it's beacon. > And if you have the same beacon interval as another you will never "see" > each other. > Reason I start the beacon manually, carefull looking at the interval of > other users. > WSPR has a random start clock so chances you will catch up is more likely. > > When I'm transmitting Opera it gives me a "Marconi Poldhu" feeling, WSPR > is just 1 click "on" and after 2min click "off" :-) > WSPR data is nicely stored on the server, Opera is lost after 24hrs unless > a "cut & paste" action is done. > OK we are amateurs and there is no such thing as free meal. > > Jan/pa3abk > > > > > > On 9-7-2012 1:48, Graham wrote: >> Ok Gerhard >> The last wspr I have is 23-08 ? signal was dropping at that time >> Was the beacon alternate ? >> Later in the week , I will try wspr/opera beacon on 500 , see what >> happens >> 2012-07-08 23:08 DK6NI 0.478499 -28 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 >> 2012-07-08 22:58 DK6NI 0.478499 -29 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 >> 2012-07-08 22:54 DK6NI 0.478499 -26 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 >> 2012-07-08 22:48 DK6NI 0.478496 -26 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 >> 2012-07-08 21:44 DK6NI 0.478501 -27 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 >> >> Opera , PA3ABK was 21-40 , then 23-16 ? >> * >> >> 23:16 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 314 mi -29 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w + 40 >> Meter En >> >> 21:40 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 314 mi -24 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w + 40 >> Meter En >> >> * >> 73 -G.. >> >> *From:* Beckmann, Gerhard >> *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 12:20 AM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Subject:* LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR >> >> Hello Graham, >> >> worked both in Opera as well as in WSPR on 477, but you only decoded >> in WSPR-Mode for this. >> >> vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >> >> ==================== >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *Von:*owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *Im Auftrag von *Graham >> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 8. Juli 2012 23:45 >> *An:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> *Betreff:* LF: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR >> >> 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR RUNNING >> >> TILL ROUND 2330 GMT >> >> 73 - G.. >> > > > -- > pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it > >