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In communism its the other way around ! 73 Warren K2ORS [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 59dfa31c87e93cf4a32c8e0c1ddc303c Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d6446d7512a104c5488647 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:509188576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 6 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d297.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b5009bc043877 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0016e6d6446d7512a104c5488647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik, I have heard that there is a difference between capitalism and communism. In capitalism its dog eat dog. In communism its the other way around ! 73 Warren K2ORS On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Rik Strobbe w= rote: > Hello Roger, > > > > this evening I have a grabber running and wanted to announce it on the > Yahoo and Blacksheep reflectors. I had to scroll back to last Sundayto fi= nda mail fromthe Yahoo reflector. > > A quick count showed that over the past week I received 3 mails fromYahoo= and about35 mails fromBlacksheep > . > > I agree that Yahoo has a lot more bells but despite that Blacksheep seems > still the place to be. > > So there seems to be a lot of "anti-capitalists" active on LF/MF ;-) > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > PS: I endorse the "live and let live" statement of Thierry (F4EOB) > > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] > namens G3XBM [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com] > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 14 juli 2012 20:52 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk > *Onderwerp:* [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo > > > > Dear LF, > > IMHO it's time we all moved across to this Yahoo group and shut down the > Blacksheep. Having two lists is a pain. Those of us who've moved here > surely agree it is every bit as good as the Blacksheep list, and in many > ways much better. > > What I still totally fail to understand is why good keen LF folks like > Stefan DK7FC, steadfastly refuse to move. It is almost like an > anti-capitalist stand, which frankly is a bit silly. It costs us nothing > and gives us a lot. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > (PS thanks GW0EZY for the -31dB WSPR report on 500kHz just now) > > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Alan Melia" > wrote: > > > > Hi Geri that sounds like a recipe for an interminable ping pong, eating > bandwidth and getting the group a bad name!! It is just too much to expec= t > of the administrators to do this manually. Managing the blacksheep it is > getting increasing difficult. I dont think the intention ever was to run > two reflectors. Of course there is nothing to stop those who object to > joining the Yahoo! Group from setting up their own. Mailman, and Majordom= o > are open source as far as I am aware. > > > > Some members are likely to object to their messages being auto-forwarde= d > in that way too. > > > > Alan > > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW > > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@... > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:17 PM > > Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Blacksheep and Yahoo > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > Woule there be any way to "relay" any blacksheep.org content to Yahoo > and vice evrse., e.g that rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk will > "subscribe" to the blacksheep messages and rsgb_lf_group@... becomes a > member of the Yahoo group? > > > > By that method each of us could decide what way they prefer to exchange > information, but no information would be lost! > > > > /3 > > > > Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mike Dennison > > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk > > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: Transmitting on 477kHZ today > > > > > > > > Yes, Wolf, there are still a few who have not migrated to Yahoo. This > > is very inefficient and leads to double-posting, and missed > > information. Possibly there are some people who don't know the Yahoo > > group exists. I am giving it as much publicity as I can from my web > > sites. > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/ > > > > > Hello Mike, > > > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > Where did Roland spot the original message - on the old Blacksheep > > > thing, from which I unsubscribed weeks ago ? .. are there other skeds > > > etc being made there still, which we are missing here ? Also haven't > > > heard anything from Stefan and others for some time, which is > > > suspicious. > > > > > > Have a nice weekend, and "happy impact" (from the announced CME) :) > > > > > > 73, > > > Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD qrv again later. > > > > > > > > > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" > > > wrote: > > Received WSPR on 477kHz (dial) from > > > DF0WD, DL3DNR and DK6NI > yesterday evening, More details at: > > > g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= : > > > Hello, > > > > > I'm transmitting on 477kHz with WSPR at 17:00 UTC. ERP 0.8W. > > > > > Antenna 50m, 15m high. > > > > 73 > > Roland DL3NDR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > Reply to sender| Reply > to group| Reply > via web post| Start > a new topic > Messages in this topic( > 16) > Recent Activity: > > - New Members > 3 > > Visit Your Group > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > Switch to: Text-Only, > Daily Digest=95 > Unsubscribe=95 Terms > of Use > . > > __,_._,___ > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --0016e6d6446d7512a104c5488647 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

=A0 =A0 I have heard that there is a difference bet= ween capitalism and communism.
In capitalism its dog eat dog.
In communism its the other way around !

73 = Warren K2ORS



On Fri, J= ul 20, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be= > wrote:

Hello=A0Roger,

=A0

this=A0evening I have a=A0grabber running and=A0wanted to=A0announce=A0it=A0on = the Yahoo and=A0Blacksheep reflectors. I had to scroll back to last= =A0Sunday to=A0find a mail=A0from the Yahoo reflector.

A=A0quick=A0count=A0showed=A0that over= the past week I=A0received=A03 mails=A0from Yahoo and=A0abou= t 35 mails=A0from Blacksheep.

I=A0agree=A0that Yahoo has a lot more=A0bells= =A0but=A0despite=A0that=A0Blacksheep=A0seems= =A0still the place to be.

So=A0there=A0seems to=A0be a lot of "anti-capitalists"=A0active=A0on = LF/MF ;-)

=A0

73, Rik=A0=A0ON7YD - OR7T

=A0

PS: I=A0endorse the "live and let live" statement= of=A0Thierry (F4EOB)

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Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk<= /a>] namens G3XBM [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 14 juli 2012 20:52
To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo

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Dear LF,

IMHO it's time we all moved across to this Yahoo group and shut down th= e Blacksheep. Having two lists is a pain. Those of us who've moved here= surely agree it is every bit as good as the Blacksheep list, and in many w= ays much better.

What I still totally fail to understand is why good keen LF folks like Stef= an DK7FC, steadfastly refuse to move. It is almost like an anti-capitalist = stand, which frankly is a bit silly. It costs us nothing and gives us a lot= .

73s
Roger G3XBM

(PS thanks GW0EZY for the -31dB WSPR report on 500kHz just now)

--- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@...> wrot= e:
>
> Hi Geri that sounds like a recipe for an interminable ping pong, eatin= g bandwidth and getting the group a bad name!! It is just too much to expec= t of the administrators to do this manually. Managing the blacksheep it is = getting increasing difficult. I dont think the intention ever was to run two reflectors. Of course there is not= hing to stop those who object to joining the Yahoo! Group from setting up t= heir own. Mailman, and Majordomo are open source as far as I am aware.
>
> Some members are likely to object to their messages being auto-forward= ed in that way too.
>
> Alan
> G3NYK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW
> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@...
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:17 PM
> Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Blacksheep and Yahoo
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Woule there be any way to "relay" any blacksheep.org content to Yahoo and vice = evrse., e.g that rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk will "subscribe" to the blacksheep messages and rs= gb_lf_group@... becomes a member of the Yahoo group?
>
> By that method each of us could decide what way they prefer to exchang= e information, but no information would be lost!
>
> /3
>
> Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Dennison
> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: Transmitting on 477kHZ today
>
>
>
> Yes, Wolf, there are still a few who have not migrated to Yahoo. This =
> is very inefficient and leads to double-posting, and missed
> information. Possibly there are some people who don't know the Yah= oo
> group exists. I am giving it as much publicity as I can from my web > sites.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> g3xdv.blogsp= ot.co.uk
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike= .dennison/index/lf/
>
> > Hello Mike,
> >
> > Thanks for the info.
> > Where did Roland spot the original message - on the old Blackshee= p
> > thing, from which I unsubscribed weeks ago ? .. are there other s= keds
> > etc being made there still, which we are missing here ? Also have= n't
> > heard anything from Stefan and others for some time, which is
> > suspicious.
> >
> > Have a nice weekend, and "happy impact" (from the annou= nced CME) :)
> >
> > 73,
> > Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD qrv again later.
> >
> >
> > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison"
> > <mike.dennison@> wrote: > > Received WSPR on 477kHz (= dial) from
> > DF0WD, DL3DNR and DK6NI > yesterday evening, More details at:<= br> > > g3xdv.b= logspot.co.uk > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= : > > > Hello, > >
> > I'm transmitting on 477kHz with WSPR at 17:00 UTC. ERP 0.8W. = > >
> > Antenna 50m, 15m high. > > > > 73 > > Roland DL= 3NDR > > > > > > > > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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