Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C89363800008D; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SupJZ-0003lz-Cz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:31:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SupJY-0003lq-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:31:04 +0100 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SupJV-0002ij-Ej for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:31:03 +0100 Received: by weyx43 with SMTP id x43so4357628wey.16 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/zejdfF8eQBXJ114kjABdSbH3tVtjMOaXlx9bZ8sBNs=; b=tPv5i+BrNOdTZuh2ZPDX53pdOeNLXS7wHowqq/IisP+9ZiiubmCnrfCuA+ytK8yZ22 2iBAkNqvxUNGftHb3nIbpZn4pQcgNGQ+2f47XGs/dGIGLY9xF+rh3pzj5/Mqm/hgZSEf HRwDMiL4tI6q9Ar+9RCYhGknXx8dx4fxgpZUnF7l7iFPndo6strJuFhwfMoFGrVpb1OO Rnp9yE85qUTK5hjVvahi8opxvl5LYY4P+dTqNu52SWNQgqTO9nhkY5gb1YBcMcyC//GN 8BTpwD+KCYnTDexP9G+MKhCqXiueEG80A2d9Cgii0kDZj1+6WNl/amIn9Urj7wQ9l98I 6SPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.66.7 with SMTP id g7mr1823793wed.146.1343413860343; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.42.228 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:31:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5011AD16.5000706@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <50113D08.8020407@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <5011AD16.5000706@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:31:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, I saw this Youtube video of 4 big guys trying to bring down a kite like yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7q34sw4XMo I would love to try this but I live in an area densely covered with tall trees, and it would be quite a drive to an open area where I could launch an antenna (children's playground is not a good place for a HV antenna!) 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The antenna current is stable within a 10% limi= t. > When the wind was poor in some situations, the kite drops to a lower angl= e. > Then the falling ERP is rather affected by the lower effective height tha= n > by the changing current. The current (say 1A on 8970 Hz) can easyly drop = to > 400 mA when the angle changes from 80 deg to 40 deg. > One method is to compensate this by turning the variometer from time to t= ime > or you can use a working point of the variometer that uses a slightly to = low > L. Then the antenna current does not reduce when the kite falls (in certa= in > limits of course). This is the case because the little generator that i u= sed > (up to 550 W RF power in the best times) can be seen as something like a > constant power source. So if the kite falls then slightly, the working po= int > moves to the peak of the resonance curve and the rotation speed is somewh= at > lowered. It was funny to observe this effect for many hours on the field = :-) > But normally the movement of the wire does not strongly change the antenn= a > current. > > OK? > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1