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From: Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW <geri@dk8kw.de>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:50:15 +0200
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Where is the "I like that" button?


On 23.07.2012, at 21:48, "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Is there a  LF  sub culture of inverted CB   'slang' ???
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> Mostly the description "crocodile" is used by those who are unable (or
> somehow unwilling) to radiate a decent signal on the band, LF or MF.
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> Actual meaning >>  Crocodile is CB slang for someone with a powerful trans=
ceiver, who talks but can't hear others.  (poor rx)
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> We could  have  fun  inventing  a whole directory
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> Broken Canary   ...  Failed Opera  decode
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> Tie Clip  ...   Mini-Whip  Ae
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> 007   ...     Report from  Moscow
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> and so on
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> G :)
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> From: "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 6:32 PM
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 502 CQ
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>> I shall remain Silent while you devour each others observations, however
>> G8POC would like me to intervene so that he could ATTACH.
>> He finds it difficult to tell a DIT from a DASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ma=
ybe
>> an Alligator
>> g3kev
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer" <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 502 CQ
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>> PS: There is no definition that your ears have to be at least as good as
>> your mouth.
>> Especially on LF and MF there are much more RX-only stations who are
>> happy to receive a signal, maybe even in CW. The bigger your mouth, the
>> wider the distance you can reach RX-stations. If i would be a RX-only
>> station on LF, i would be amazed by receiving a signal from e.g. >
>> 3000km. If nothing can be received then i would tend to focus on other
>> bands after some time. And who knows, maybe some of these RX stations
>> become interested to start arranging a TX system as well!
>> On the other side, i am happy to receive signal reports from OMs with
>> big ears. So it is always worth for everyone to do what is possible by
>> the personal limitations, the RX and TX side indenpendently. :-)
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>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
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>> Am 23.07.2012 13:21, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer:
>>> Hi Geri,
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>>> Am 23.07.2012 08:17, schrieb Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW:
>>>> Yes, it's partly due to groundwave/skywave conditions but I am
>>>> already known as the crocodile (big mouth, tiny ears) over here in
>>>> Northern Germany because my signal is 599 all around while I can
>>>> barely hear people.
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>>> Mostly the description "crocodile" is used by those who are unable (or
>>> somehow unwilling) to radiate a decent signal on the band, LF or MF.
>>> If a poor antenna is used and then just a few 10 watts RF power, then
>>> it may be normal that you cannot hear them, depending on the path and
>>> time and QRN situation. If you have a good antenna and high power then
>>> it is no problem for others to hear you. If those OMs think "i can
>>> hear him but he cannot hear me, so he is a "crocodile"" then this is
>>> not your problem. So maybe you simply have a big mouth and normal ears
>>> but the other station has a small moth and normal ears! :-)
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>>>> On LF I had optimized my receiving system pretty much but on MF I
>>>> have a high noise floor, probably from household electronics.
>>> Hm, normally this is a stronger problem on LF. But PA7EY has reported
>>> the same, his LF noisefloor is lower...
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>>>> One solution surely is to put an e-field antenna some 25m away from
>>>> the house into the garden, equally far away from all houses in the
>>>> neighborhood.
>>> Yes this is certainly a good idea. For me this is no option though.
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>>>> Currently I am using my transmitting umbrella antenna to receive,
>>>> which always proved best on LF but probably needs some re-thinking
>>>> for MF.
>>> My transmit antenna produces a big receive signal level of course but
>>> the S/N is at least 6 dB worse than the small active E field probe
>>> produces! (Of course i used an attenuator to achieve the same signal
>>> level, for comparison).
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>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
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