Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 03EDD3800009B; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SnC8j-0006ul-Ay for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:16:21 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SnC8i-0006uc-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:16:20 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SnC8g-0004fD-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:16:19 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 5F39813809B.A123E X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F39813809B for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 19:16:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CD8020041 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 19:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB1.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::f5f7:d8cc:bee0:28d3%26]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 19:16:12 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: LF: RE: Analog oscillators Thread-Index: AQHNWsyoHzOh5uRB8UGx+IA5i5SJQZcayFcAgAACiACAADnwcP//4/oAgAAJcgCAABQRgIAAHFYAgACbQgCAAG8GAIAAKIdegAARYs2AABd17Q== Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 17:16:09 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB9CBA@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FAB99CC@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <1SmrFA-199XcW0@fwd21.t-online.de> <4FF5EB68.9040507@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FF61402.6000703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FF6F362.3050305@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002101cd5b85$3c1eec90$6d01a8c0@DELL4>,<00a801cd5b8d$c6978eb0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <00a801cd5b8d$c6978eb0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.129 (rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clemens, MEK stands for "methyl-ethyl-ketone" and is also known as butanone. It is a rather strong organic solvent mainly used in industry. An alternative might be acetone. It is commonly available (nail polish remover). 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It is a rather strong organic solvent mainly used in industry. An alternative might be acetone. It is commonly available (nail polish remo= ver). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Clemens Paul [cpaul@gmx.net] Verzonden: vrijdag 6 juli 2012 17:41 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: RE: Analog oscillators Jay, what is "MEK" which is referred to in the link you've given? '...What I did was to dissolve polyfoam shipping material in a mixture of MEK and xylol. ' 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 4:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: Analog oscillators > Stefan > > As others have pointed out "6" material is about the best for VFO circuit= s. > Ferrite, especially very high perm material is quite inferior. > > For securing turns I've found 'old fashioned' polystyrene coil Q dope to = be a > good choice. Doubt that it is sold anymore in the current 'scaredy cat wo= rld' > ... but you can make your own. See > http://www.radiobanter.com/showthread.php?t=3D149757 . Also a recipe ther= e for > Napalm should you need any of that ;~) > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Analog oscillators > > >> Hi Roelof, >> >> Another interesting information which is new for me. Thank you. I think = many >> of us have learned a bit from the topic. >> >> I thought about using super glue to fix the winding on the core. >> >> Or is this not to be recommended for some reason?. >> >> I will use a T50-6 then. This will take a few days until i have it on ha= nd, >> unfortunately. >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 06.07.2012 09:39, schrieb Roelof Bakker: >>> Hello Stefan, >>> >>> A FT-37-43 ferrite toroid is not suitable for a VFO as you found. >>> Powdered iron cores from Amidon are much better in this regard. >>> From the common available parts -6 material has the lowest temperature >>> coefficient, >>> -7 is slightly better: >>> >>> T-50-2: 95 ppm/C >>> T-50-6: 35 ppm/C >>> T-50-7: 30 ppm/C >>> >>> The temperature coefficient does not vary with the size of the toroid. >>> >>> There are tricks to achieve mechanical stable windings on a Toroid. >>> One is to wind it as tight as you can and than place the coil in boilin= g >>> water for 10 minutes. >>> This removes the mechanical stress and the winding settles down. >>> >>> 73, >>> Roelof, pa0rdt >> > >=