Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A0A8E38000082; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SoLah-0000nP-SS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 22:33:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SoLag-0000nG-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 22:33:58 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (UNKNOWN:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SoLae-0002mh-FT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 22:33:57 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.140] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SoLad-0004KB-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:33:55 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:40899 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SoLac-0007W9-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:33:55 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.26] (port=59625 helo=16.mx.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SoLYP-0006Yv-HA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:31:37 +0200 Received: from p57af1012.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.16.18]:1535 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 16.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SoLYN-0004pG-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:31:37 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <4FFA2783.9080906@kpnmail.nl> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:31:33 +0200 Message-ID: <5A1F1F9742724F4C9C52ABB0BDBCB045@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac1dqatl1t7iNesaS/qJOVL5XFJPmgAb0U/Q X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Graham, that is simply remarkable. Same report from Joe, DF2JP in Opera and WSPR within only some minutes time difference. WSPR: 21:08 DK6NI 0.478488 -23 0 JN59ln 0.1 DF2JP JO31jg 351 304 Opera: 21:19 477 DK6NI de DF2JP Op4 351 km -23 dB in Duesseldorf [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (beckmann.erlangen[at]freenet.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 361bc456d9fda04dba62892a059b9e46 Subject: AW: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD5E2A.FA425160" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:359376416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405a4ffb4e7e4431 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD5E2A.FA425160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Graham,=20 that is simply remarkable. Same report from Joe, DF2JP in Opera and = WSPR within only some minutes time difference. WSPR: 21:08 DK6NI 0.478488 -23 0 JN59ln 0.1 DF2JP = JO31jg 351 304 =20 Opera: 21:19 477 DK6NI de DF2JP Op4 351 km -23 dB in Duesseldorf 73 de Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Graham Gesendet: Montag, 9. Juli 2012 09:56 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR Tnx Jan Yes , the data server is something that needs to be constructed , = but upto now , no one is looking at this ... may be when the Op = beacon=20 is part of the new VHF fixed beacons , then someone will take = a=20 look ! , JR is only DSP ! There are searches and downloads that can be taken from the=20 PSK-Reporter system .... Im not sure as to what can be = extracted=20 .. something that needs to be investigated ? There are some major differences with wspr/Op Not all stations can Tx wspr on MF due to TX construction, = wspr =3D fsk Op =3D on/off keying OP used average s/n measurements Hopefully more stations will monitor wspr + Opera , so that = all=20 stations are able to use beacons etc 73 -G. -------------------------------------------------- From: "pa3abk" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:36 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR > It was nice to see that Gerhard used both modes after each other. > > Opera: > 23:16 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 506 km -29 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w = + 40 > Meter En > 21:40 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 506 km -24 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w = + 40 > Meter En > > And WSPR: > 2318 -25 -0.3 0.478512 0 DK6NI JN59 20 > 2144 -20 -0.7 0.478513 0 DK6NI JN59 20 > > As you can see it's a benefit if you can run both progs from the same=20 > "carrier" frequency. > > I'm still more in favour for WSPR. > Opera is simple, it just starts it's beacon. > And if you have the same beacon interval as another you will never = "see"=20 > each other. > Reason I start the beacon manually, carefull looking at the interval = of=20 > other users. > WSPR has a random start clock so chances you will catch up is more = likely. > > When I'm transmitting Opera it gives me a "Marconi Poldhu" feeling, = WSPR=20 > is just 1 click "on" and after 2min click "off" :-) > WSPR data is nicely stored on the server, Opera is lost after 24hrs = unless > a "cut & paste" action is done. > OK we are amateurs and there is no such thing as free meal. > > Jan/pa3abk > > > > > > On 9-7-2012 1:48, Graham wrote: >> Ok Gerhard >> The last wspr I have is 23-08 ? signal was dropping at that = time >> Was the beacon alternate ? >> Later in the week , I will try wspr/opera beacon on 500 , see = what=20 >> happens >> 2012-07-08 23:08 DK6NI 0.478499 -28 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 = 299 >> 2012-07-08 22:58 DK6NI 0.478499 -29 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 = 299 >> 2012-07-08 22:54 DK6NI 0.478499 -26 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 = 299 >> 2012-07-08 22:48 DK6NI 0.478496 -26 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 = 299 >> 2012-07-08 21:44 DK6NI 0.478501 -27 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 = 299 >> >> Opera , PA3ABK was 21-40 , then 23-16 ? >> * >> >> 23:16 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 314 mi -29 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w + = 40=20 >> Meter En >> >> 21:40 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 314 mi -24 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w + = 40=20 >> Meter En >> >> * >> 73 -G.. >> >> *From:* Beckmann, Gerhard >> *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 12:20 AM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = >> *Subject:* LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR >> >> Hello Graham, >> >> worked both in Opera as well as in WSPR on 477, but you only = decoded=20 >> in WSPR-Mode for this. >> >> vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *Von:*owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >> =20 >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *Im Auftrag von *Graham >> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 8. Juli 2012 23:45 >> *An:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = >> *Betreff:* LF: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR >> >> 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR RUNNING >> >> TILL ROUND 2330 GMT >> >> 73 - G.. >> > > > --=20 > pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it > >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CD5E2A.FA425160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AW: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR

Hello Graham,

   that is simply remarkable. Same report = from Joe, DF2JP in Opera and WSPR within = only some minutes time = difference.

WSPR:    21:08   = DK6NI   0.478488   -23   0   = JN59ln   0.1   DF2JP   JO31jg   = 351   304 

Opera:    21:19    477 = DK6NI de DF2JP Op4 351 km -23 dB in = Duesseldorf

73 de Gerhard

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im = Auftrag von Graham
Gesendet: Montag, 9. Juli 2012 09:56
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR

Tnx = Jan

Yes , = the  data  server is  something  that  = needs  to  be constructed , but

upto  = now , no one  is  looking  at  this  ... = may  be when the  Op beacon

is  = part of the  new   VHF  fixed  beacons  , = then  someone  will  take  a

look  = ! , JR is  only   DSP  !

There  = are searches  and  downloads  that  can be  = taken  from the

PSK-Reporter  system  ....   Im = not  sure  as  to  what  can be  extracted =

.. = something  that  needs  to  be  = investigated  ?

There  = are  some  major  differences  with  = wspr/Op

Not  = all  stations  can  Tx   wspr  on MF due = to  TX   construction, wspr  =3D

fsk    Op =3D on/off   = keying

OP  = used  average   s/n  measurements

Hopefully   more  stations  = will   monitor   wspr + Opera  , so  = that  all

stations  are  able to  use  beacons = etc

73 = -G.

--------------------------------------------------<= /SPAN>

From: = "pa3abk" <pa3abk@kpnmail.nl>

Sent: = Monday, July 09, 2012 1:36 AM

To: = <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>

Subject: = Re: LF: AW: 477  WSPR  + OPERA   = MONITOR

> It was = nice to see that Gerhard used both modes after each = other.

>

> = Opera:

> = 23:16    477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 506 km -29 dB in = Dordrecht with 0,1w + 40

> Meter = En

> = 21:40    477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 506 km -24 dB in = Dordrecht with 0,1w + 40

> Meter = En

>

> And = WSPR:

> 2318 = -25 -0.3   0.478512  0 DK6NI JN59 20

> 2144 = -20 -0.7   0.478513  0 DK6NI JN59 20

>

> As you = can see it's a benefit if you can run both progs from the same =

> = "carrier" frequency.

>

> I'm = still more in favour for WSPR.

> Opera = is simple, it just starts it's beacon.

> And if = you have the same beacon interval as another you will never = "see"

> each = other.

> Reason = I start the beacon manually, carefull looking at the interval of =

> other = users.

> WSPR = has a random start clock so chances you will catch up is more = likely.

>

> When = I'm transmitting Opera it gives me a "Marconi Poldhu" feeling, = WSPR

> is = just  1 click "on" and after 2min click "off" = :-)

> WSPR = data is nicely stored on the server, Opera is lost after 24hrs unless =

> a = "cut & paste" action is done.

> OK we = are amateurs and there is no such thing as free meal.

>

> = Jan/pa3abk

>

>

>

>

>

> On = 9-7-2012 1:48, Graham wrote:

>>  Ok Gerhard

>> = The last  wspr  I have  is  23-08 ?  = signal  was  dropping  at that  = time

>> = Was the  beacon   alternate  ?

>> = Later in the  week , I will  try wspr/opera  beacon on = 500  , see what

>> = happens

>> = 2012-07-08 23:08 DK6NI 0.478499 -28 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 = 299

>>  2012-07-08 22:58 DK6NI 0.478499 -29 0 = JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299

>>  2012-07-08 22:54 DK6NI 0.478499 -26 0 = JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299

>>  2012-07-08 22:48 DK6NI 0.478496 -26 0 = JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299

>>  2012-07-08 21:44 DK6NI 0.478501 -27 0 = JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299

>>

>> = Opera ,   PA3ABK    was  21-40  , = then  23-16 ?

>> = *

>>

>> = 23:16 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 314 mi -29 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w + 40 =

>> = Meter En

>>

>> = 21:40 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 314 mi -24 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w + 40 =

>> = Meter En

>>

>> = *

>> 73 = -G..

>>

>> = *From:* Beckmann, Gerhard <mailto:beckmann.erlangen@fre= enet.de>

>> = *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 12:20 AM

>> = *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>

>> = *Subject:* LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR

>>

>> = Hello Graham,

>>

>>     worked both in Opera as = well as in WSPR on 477, but you only decoded

>> in = WSPR-Mode for this.

>>

>> vy = 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI

>>

>> = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

>>

>> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------<= /FONT>

>>

>> = *Von:*owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

>> = <mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>

>> = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] = *Im Auftrag von *Graham

>> = *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 8. Juli 2012 23:45

>> = *An:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>

>> = *Betreff:* LF: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR

>>

>> = 477  WSPR  + OPERA   MONITOR = RUNNING

>>

>> = TILL  ROUND    2330    = GMT

>>

>> 73 = -  G..

>>

>

>

> -- =

> pa3abk = <-> dordrecht jo21it

>

> =

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