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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Alex, Thank you for the reports and also the summer activity! I saw you have been on air as well. What were the results? 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a4b244543500b5090c8ff3d6105c38aa Subject: Re: LF: Re[2]: LF: Good OP8 results .. Q 136 OP32 Test ? 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I saw you have=20 been on air as well. What were the results? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 23.07.2012 18:16, schrieb Alex K: > Hello LF! > My offline report: > > 02:28 136 RN3AGC de RN3AUS Op8 -1 dB in nr Moscow > 00:22 136 G3XDV de RN3AUS Op8 -32 dB in nr Moscow > 00:18 136 UA4WPF de RN3AUS Op8 -32 dB in nr Moscow > 00:14 136 DK7FC de RN3AUS Op8 -20 dB in nr Moscow > 00:06 136 DK7FC de RN3AUS Op8 -23 dB in nr Moscow > *********** =20 > 21/07/2012 *********** > TNX DR OM's for summer activity! > 73 de rn3aus\Alex > > > Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:41:07 +0100 =D0=BE=D1=82 "Graham" : > > Thanks Markus > Last night , OP32 test , I see only your signal reached=20 > rn3agc , was propagation down compared to the last nights , > but Mike also reached TF3 > For the psk system to work, you will need to run the=20 > windows software ? > S/N , well one problem with static s/n measurements is > that , the real radio path is not included , so signal=20 > variations are not allowed for , decode levels of -40 dB > s/n are average , so the lower detection levels can be 10 > dB lower again > One thing from the test , the beacon timer is only x2 64 > mins timer is too long , next issue , this will be 30 > mins , Mike may of missed windows with the 1 hour timer=20 > running > Recovery of s/n data from PSk- There has been a change to > the adif log file, so , shortly , the adif download , > should have the s/n level of the record as well , > hopefully there exists at application to extract the data=20 > and map the results .. > 73 -G.. > > *From:* Markus Vester > *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 12:25 AM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Subject:* Re: LF: Good OP8 results .. Q 136 OP32 Test ? > > Hi Graham, > yes, I've been testing two rounds of "homemade" opera-32 on > 137.590 kHz, 0.6 W ERP. Also had a go at opera-8 in the middle > (ending 22:25) which apparently went unnoticed. > PSK reporter surely has no idea of where I live, and for some > reason it erroneously located me at IO91UX (incidentally the QTH > of M0FMT). Thus the distances on the web are not correct. > BTW is it possible to read the SNR off pskmap as well, or only > from the application? -39 dB on Opera's "slightly biased average > power scale" would mean -35 dB carrier vs noise in 2.5 > kHz. Which would be +14 dB SNR in 30 mHz, ie. a comfortable "O" in > QRSS-30, and probably readable in QRSS-10 as well. > Best regards, > Markus (DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NJ) > PS just noticed that TF3HZ has managed to capture my second op-32 > transmission (ending 23:07). This should be about 2540 km or so. > > *From:* Graham > *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 12:45 AM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Subject:* Re: LF: Good OP8 results .. Q 136 OP32 Test ? > > Ok Stefan > DF6NM has just decoded at -39 dB with RN3AGC , this is=20 > right at the lower s/n of OP32 > *22:16 136 DF6NM de RN3AGC Op32 1541 mi -39 dB in Moscow with 3w + > Tube TX ant 35* > So a good start , may be OP32 would decode TA , we will=20 > see during the next time ? > 73-G.. > > *From:* Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:35 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Subject:* Re: LF: Good OP8 results .. Q 136 OP32 Test ? > > Wow, i can see EA7HAZ. That is a nice "goal". There are a few > stations on that pskmap that i never heared from on the reflector. > That looks like a real chance to get some newcomers. At least i > have some hope! > Well, now i am not in Heidelberg and cannot transmit this night > but i may give it a try soon again. > > Good luck for Mike! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 22.07.2012 21:17, schrieb Graham: >> Ok Stefan, >> Well , we can only wait and watch ! , there are 14=20 >> monitors at the moment , just hope , switched to OP32 >> It is summer , may be 136 activity was not expected , could >> be on vacation etc ? >> Audio band for OP32 is 100 Hz 1500 to 1600 Hz with=20 >> +/- 2 Hz total system stability requirement , this=20 >> should not be a problem Smile emoticon >> GL 73 -G.. >> >> *From:* Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2012 7:05 PM >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Subject:* Re: LF: Good OP8 results .. Q 136 OP32 Test ? >> >> Hi Graham, >> >> I do not doubt that W1VD will decode me on OP32 these days. But >> are there others like VO1NA? I also wrote an email to him but got >> no answer so far. What about VE1VDM? >> >> 73, Stefan >> >> Am 22.07.2012 18:09, schrieb Graham: >>> Remarkable results using OP8 on on 136 from Stefan, >>> Mike and Tom both reaching TF3HZ 1858 Km and RN3AGC >>> / RX3QFM , though not at the same s/n level !, but both=20 >>> decoding inside the OP8 limits >>> While the condx, appeared not to support TA propagation , >>> this would be a good opportunity to to test the OP32 mode >>> *Could we ask, those using Opera OP8 on 136 to change to=20 >>> OP32 for any overnight or other beacon activity for >>> comparison ?* >>> OP32 offer's a 6 dB lower decode s/n , but with X4 =20 >>> longer tx 'times' may provide range extension greater than=20 >>> predicted by s/n , the system working by average power=20 >>> along the time line , being able to take advantage of qsb=20 >>> and flash events .. >>> Thanks All >>> Graham >>> G0NBD >>> INFO :- >>> Follow the progress of Op8 tests and other 136 activity on Mikes >>> Blog, >>> >>> http://g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk/ >>> >>> 400 mW ERP >> 136kHz Op8 to Iceland and Russia >>> >>> Transmitted an Opera8 beacon again overnight on the 136kHz band >>> and got reports >>> from RN3AGC, RX3QFM and TF3HZ (-32dB). The Icelandic station >>> produced five >>> decodes between 0022 and 0202. Best distance was 2681km to >>> RX3QFM. Highlights >>> were as follows: >>> >>> 02:02 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -35 dB in Reykjavik >>> 01:37 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -31 dB in Reykjavik >>> 01:12 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -32 dB in Reykjavik >>> 00:47 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -32 dB in Reykjavik >>> 00:47 136 G3XDV de RX3QFM Op8 2681 km -33 dB in KO91OO >>> 00:22 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -32 dB in Reykjavik >>> 00:22 136 G3XDV de RN3AGC Op8 2483 km -34 dB in Moscow >>> 23:57 136 G3XDV de RN3AGC Op8 2483 km -31 dB in Moscow > > --------------090607060307050006080201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id q6NKTS76029844 Hello Alex,

Thank you for the reports and also the summer activity! I saw you have been on air as well. What were the results?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 23.07.2012 18:16, schrieb Alex K:
= Hello LF!
My offline report:

02:28=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 136 RN3AGC de RN3AUS Op8=C2=A0 -1 dB in nr Moscow=
00:22=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 136 G3XDV de RN3AUS Op8=C2=A0 -32 dB in nr Moscow=
00:18=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 136 UA4WPF de RN3AUS Op8=C2=A0 -32 dB in nr Mosco= w
00:14=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 136 DK7FC de RN3AUS Op8=C2=A0 -20 dB in nr Moscow=
00:06=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 136 DK7FC de RN3AUS Op8=C2=A0 -23 dB in nr Moscow=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 ***********=C2=A0 21/07/2012=C2=A0 ***********=C2=A0
TNX DR OM's for summer activity!
73 de rn3aus\Alex


Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:41:07 +0100 =D0=BE=D1=82 "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
Thanks=C2=A0 Markus
=C2=A0
Last night=C2=A0 , OP32=C2=A0 test , I see=C2=A0 only=C2=A0 your= =C2=A0 signal=C2=A0=C2=A0 reached=C2=A0 rn3agc , was=C2=A0 propagation=C2=A0 down=C2=A0 compared to= the=C2=A0 last=C2=A0 nights , but Mike=C2=A0 also=C2=A0 reached=C2=A0 TF3
=C2=A0
For the=C2=A0 psk system to=C2=A0 work, you=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 nee= d=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 run the=C2=A0 windows=C2=A0 software ?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
S/N , well=C2=A0 one=C2=A0 problem=C2=A0 with=C2=A0=C2=A0 static= =C2=A0 s/n=C2=A0 measurements=C2=A0 is that=C2=A0 , the=C2=A0 real=C2=A0 radio=C2=A0 path is=C2=A0 not=C2=A0 inc= luded , so=C2=A0 signal=C2=A0 variations=C2=A0 are=C2=A0 not=C2=A0 allowed=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 , decode lev= els=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 -40 dB s/n=C2=A0 are=C2=A0 average , so=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 lower detection=C2=A0 levels=C2=A0= can be=C2=A0 10 dB lower=C2=A0 again
=C2=A0
One thing=C2=A0 from the test=C2=A0 , the=C2=A0 beacon timer=C2=A0= is=C2=A0 only=C2=A0 x2=C2=A0=C2=A0 64 mins=C2=A0 timer=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 too=C2=A0 long , next=C2=A0 issue=C2=A0= , this=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 be=C2=A0=C2=A0 30 mins=C2=A0 ,=C2=A0 Mike=C2=A0 may of=C2=A0 missed=C2=A0 windows=C2=A0 wit= h the=C2=A0 1 hour=C2=A0 timer=C2=A0 running=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Recovery of=C2=A0=C2=A0 s/n data=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 PSk-=C2=A0=C2=A0= There=C2=A0 has been=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 change to the=C2=A0 adif=C2=A0 log=C2=A0 file,=C2=A0 so=C2=A0 , shortly=C2= =A0 , the=C2=A0 adif=C2=A0 download , should=C2=A0 have the=C2=A0 s/n=C2=A0 level=C2=A0 of the=C2=A0 record=C2=A0= as=C2=A0 well=C2=A0 , hopefully=C2=A0 there=C2=A0 exists=C2=A0 at=C2=A0 application=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 extract the=C2= =A0 data=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 map the=C2=A0 results ..=C2=A0
=C2=A0
73 -G..

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Good OP8 results .. Q 136 OP32 Test ?

Hi Graham,
=C2=A0
yes, I've been testing two round= s of "homemade" opera-32 on 137.590 kHz, 0.6 W ERP. Also had a go at opera-8 in the middle (ending 22:25) which apparently went unnoticed.
=C2=A0
PSK reporter=C2=A0surely has no = idea of where I live, and for some reason it erroneously=C2=A0located me at IO91U= X (incidentally the QTH of M0FMT).=C2=A0Thus the distances on the web are n= ot correct.
=C2=A0
BTW is it possible to=C2=A0read = the SNR off pskmap as well, or only from the application? -39 dB on Opera's=C2=A0"slightly=C2=A0biased average power scale" would mean -35 dB= carrier vs noise in 2.5 kHz.=C2=A0Which=C2=A0would be=C2=A0+14 dB SNR in 30 mHz,=C2= =A0ie. a comfortable "O" in QRSS-30, and probably readable in QRSS-10 as well.
=C2=A0
Best regards,
Markus (DF6NM in Nuernberg JN59NJ)
=C2=A0
PS=C2=A0 just noticed tha= t TF3HZ has managed to capture my second op-32 transmission (ending 23:07). This should be about 2540 km or so.

From: Graham
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Good OP8 results .. Q 136 OP32 Test ?

Ok Stefan=C2=A0
=C2=A0
DF6NM=C2=A0=C2=A0 has=C2=A0 just=C2=A0 decoded=C2=A0 at=C2=A0 -3= 9 dB=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 RN3AGC=C2=A0 , this=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 right=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 lower=C2=A0 s/n of=C2=A0 OP32
22:16 136 DF6NM de RN3AGC Op32 1541 mi -39 dB in Moscow with 3w + Tube TX ant 35
So a good=C2=A0 start , may=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 OP32=C2=A0 would deco= de=C2=A0=C2=A0 TA , we=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 see=C2=A0 during=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 next=C2=A0 time=C2=A0 ?
=C2=A0
73-G..

Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Good OP8 results .. Q 136 OP32 Test ?

Wow, i can see EA7HAZ. That is a nice "goal". There are a few stations on that pskmap that i never heared from on the reflector. That looks like a real chance to get some newcomers. At least i have some hope!
Well, now i am not in Heidelberg and cannot transmit this night but i may give it a try soon again.

Good luck for Mike!

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 22.07.2012 21:17, schrieb Graham:
Ok Stefan,
=C2=A0
Well , we can only=C2=A0 wait=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 watch=C2=A0 ! , = there=C2=A0 are=C2=A0 14=C2=A0 monitors=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 moment , just=C2=A0 hope=C2=A0 , switched=C2=A0= to=C2=A0 OP32
It is=C2=A0 summer , may be=C2=A0 136=C2=A0 activity=C2=A0 was= =C2=A0 not=C2=A0 expected , could be=C2=A0 on vacation etc ?
=C2=A0
Audio=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 OP32=C2=A0 is=C2=A0=C2=A0 100= Hz=C2=A0 1500=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 1600 Hz=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 +/-=C2=A0=C2=A0 2 Hz=C2=A0=C2=A0 total=C2=A0 system =C2=A0stab= ility=C2=A0 requirement=C2=A0 , this=C2=A0 should not=C2=A0 be a=C2=A0 problem 3D"Smile
=C2=A0
GL 73 -G..


Hi Graham,

I do not doubt that W1VD will decode me on OP32 these days. But are there others like VO1NA? I also wrote an email to him but got no answer so far. What about VE1VDM?

73, Stefan

Am 22.07.2012 18:09, schrieb Graham:
Remarkable=C2=A0=C2=A0 results=C2=A0 using=C2=A0=C2=A0 OP8=C2= =A0 on on=C2=A0 136=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 Stefan, =C2=A0Mike=C2=A0and=C2=A0 Tom =C2=A0both=C2=A0 reaching=C2=A0 TF3= HZ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1858 Km=C2=A0=C2=A0 and=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0RN3AGC / RX3QFM , though=C2=A0 not=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 s/n level !, bu= t=C2=A0 both=C2=A0 decoding=C2=A0 inside the=C2=A0 OP8 limits
=C2=A0
While the condx, appeared=C2=A0 not to=C2=A0 support=C2=A0 T= A propagation=C2=A0 , this=C2=A0 would=C2=A0 be a=C2=A0 good=C2=A0 opportun= ity=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 test the=C2=A0 OP32 mode
=C2=A0
Could we ask, those using=C2=A0 Opera=C2=A0OP8=C2=A0= =C2=A0on 136 to=C2=A0 change to=C2=A0 OP32=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 any overnight=C2=A0 or=C2=A0 other=C2= =A0 beacon=C2=A0 activity for comparison ?
=C2=A0
OP32=C2=A0 offer's=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 6 dB lower=C2=A0 decode s/n= =C2=A0 , but=C2=A0 with=C2=A0 X4 =C2=A0 longer=C2=A0 tx 'times'=C2=A0 may=C2=A0 provide=C2=A0 range=C2=A0 = extension greater than=C2=A0 predicted=C2=A0 by=C2=A0 s/n , the=C2=A0 system working=C2=A0 by=C2=A0 av= erage=C2=A0 power=C2=A0 along the=C2=A0 time=C2=A0 line , being=C2=A0 able to=C2=A0 take=C2=A0 advantag= e of=C2=A0 qsb=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 flash=C2=A0 events ..
=C2=A0
Thanks=C2=A0 All
=C2=A0
Graham
G0NBD
=C2=A0
INFO :-
=C2=A0
Follow the progress of Op8 tests and other 136 activity on Mikes Blog,

http://g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk/

400 mW=C2=A0=C2=A0 ERP >>=C2=A0 136kHz Op8 to Iceland and Russia
Transmitted an Opera8 beacon again overnight on the 136kHz band and got reports
from RN3AGC, RX3QFM and TF3HZ (-32dB). The Icelandic station produced five
decodes between 0022 and 0202. Best distance was 2681km to RX3QFM. Highlights
were as follows:

02:02 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -35 dB in Reykjavik
01:37 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -31 dB in Reykjavik
01:12 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -32 dB in Reykjavik
00:47 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -32 dB in Reykjavik
00:47 136 G3XDV de RX3QFM Op8 2681 km -33 dB in KO91OO
00:22 136 G3XDV de TF3HZ Op8 1858 km -32 dB in Reykjavik
00:22 136 G3XDV de RN3AGC Op8 2483 km -34 dB in Moscow
23:57 136 G3XDV de RN3AGC Op8 2483 km -31 dB in Moscow

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