Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 59D44380000AC; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Spz8M-0003gr-H2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:59:30 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Spz8M-0003gi-2C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:59:30 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Spz8K-0006sp-Go for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:59:28 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.162] (a80-101-33-132.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.101.33.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6E9xMiI039155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:59:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from westberg@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <500142FB.7030107@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:59:23 +0200 From: Albert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2EF69530CC694F89ADDC70851C979A5D@AGB> <015b01cd6139$b9f36a60$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <005a01cd6140$928d7e00$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <8026234358FA4AF3B57CC6EB31339FC3@AGB> <002101cd61a2$07c37a60$1502a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <002101cd61a2$07c37a60$1502a8c0@Clemens04> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Clemens, To my knowledge the PEP of two tones (carriers) is only 6 dB higher than one tone. So a (real) linear amplifier suitable for delivering 60 - 100 watts output can deal with the two 15W carriers without any problem. [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.21 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 118b9e608370528226a3c3b3aedcdda0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020307070703030005030201" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:205739104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c95001432b37d0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020307070703030005030201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clemens, To my knowledge the PEP of two tones (carriers) is only 6 dB higher than one tone. So a (real) linear amplifier suitable for delivering 60 - 100 watts output can deal with the two 15W carriers without any problem. 73, Albert PA0A Op 14-7-2012 11:21, Clemens Paul schreef: > Graham, > >the amplifiers will produce full power on 500 , but with the > 50% efficiency , for single carrier modes , >its not very cost > effective ! > On the other hand,if you would use one single linear amp to TX two > 15W carriers (tones in USB) > it would have to be capable of delivering 900W(!) PEP to stay linear. > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > --------------020307070703030005030201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Clemens,

To my knowledge the PEP of two tones (carriers) is only 6 dB higher than one tone. So a (real) linear amplifier suitable for delivering 60 - 100 watts output can deal with the two 15W carriers without any problem.

73, Albert PA0A

   

Op 14-7-2012 11:21, Clemens Paul schreef:
Graham,
 
>the  amplifiers  will  produce full  power on 500  , but  with the  50% efficiency , for  single  carrier  modes , >its not  very cost effective !
 
On the other hand,if you would use one single linear amp  to TX two 15W carriers (tones in USB)
it would have to be capable of delivering 900W(!) PEP to stay linear.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 


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