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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Graham, Hello Jan, That's what I mean. It is a famous opportunity to test both modes on the same QRG within small time gaps. Thanks for all reports. vy 73 de Gerhard ============== [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (beckmann.erlangen[at]freenet.de) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals X-Scan-Signature: 41a44ec7f64a884bcdc566aa8432178a Subject: AW: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:401249536:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60da4ffb3f4d6061 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Graham, Hello Jan, That's what I mean. It is a famous opportunity to test both modes on = the same QRG within small time gaps.=20 Thanks for all reports. vy 73 de Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von pa3abk Gesendet: Montag, 9. Juli 2012 02:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR It was nice to see that Gerhard used both modes after each other. Opera: 23:16 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 506 km -29 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w +=20 40 Meter En 21:40 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 506 km -24 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w +=20 40 Meter En And WSPR: 2318 -25 -0.3 0.478512 0 DK6NI JN59 20 2144 -20 -0.7 0.478513 0 DK6NI JN59 20 As you can see it's a benefit if you can run both progs from the same=20 "carrier" frequency. I'm still more in favour for WSPR. Opera is simple, it just starts it's beacon. And if you have the same beacon interval as another you will never "see" = each other. Reason I start the beacon manually, carefull looking at the interval of=20 other users. WSPR has a random start clock so chances you will catch up is more = likely. When I'm transmitting Opera it gives me a "Marconi Poldhu" feeling, WSPR = is just 1 click "on" and after 2min click "off" :-) WSPR data is nicely stored on the server, Opera is lost after 24hrs=20 unless a "cut & paste" action is done. OK we are amateurs and there is no such thing as free meal. Jan/pa3abk On 9-7-2012 1:48, Graham wrote: > Ok Gerhard > The last wspr I have is 23-08 ? signal was dropping at that = time > Was the beacon alternate ? > Later in the week , I will try wspr/opera beacon on 500 , see=20 > what happens > 2012-07-08 23:08 DK6NI 0.478499 -28 0 JN59ln 0.1 G0NBD=20 > IO83lk 1058 299 > 2012-07-08 22:58 DK6NI 0.478499 -29 0 JN59ln 0.1=20 > G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 > 2012-07-08 22:54 DK6NI 0.478499 -26 0 JN59ln 0.1=20 > G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 > 2012-07-08 22:48 DK6NI 0.478496 -26 0 JN59ln 0.1=20 > G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 > 2012-07-08 21:44 DK6NI 0.478501 -27 0 JN59ln 0.1=20 > G0NBD IO83lk 1058 299 > > Opera , PA3ABK was 21-40 , then 23-16 ? > * > > 23:16 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 314 mi -29 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w +=20 > 40 Meter En > > 21:40 477 DK6NI de PA3ABK Op4 314 mi -24 dB in Dordrecht with 0,1w +=20 > 40 Meter En > > * > 73 -G.. > > *From:* Beckmann, Gerhard > *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 12:20 AM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = > *Subject:* LF: AW: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR > > Hello Graham, > > worked both in Opera as well as in WSPR on 477, but you only=20 > decoded in WSPR-Mode for this. > > vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Von:*owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 > =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] *Im Auftrag von *Graham > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 8. Juli 2012 23:45 > *An:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = > *Betreff:* LF: 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR > > 477 WSPR + OPERA MONITOR RUNNING > > TILL ROUND 2330 GMT > > 73 - G.. > --=20 pa3abk <-> dordrecht jo21it