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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Saturday 30 June 2012 19:12, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > MF, > > About the 630m band dipoles i remember a story: > > In late 2008 i started with the 100m kite experiments and used > J-antennas for 160m. That worked excellent. Matching was done with a 28m > long RG58 cable. The losses couldn't have been to high since i run 600W > RF and nothing became significantly warm. > One evening i was in QSO with a German station while it started to rain. > If the kite becomes wet, the wind has to be stronger or at least stable > to keep it in the sky. So it was a question of time until the kite falls > down. It was completely dark and i didn't see the kite. > The QSO partner became weaker and the QRN was down. Later i saw that the > kite was stretched on the wet ground. The SWR was down but anyway it was > possible to hear the other station and it was possible to finish the QSO!!! > That was exactly the location where i did the VLF kite experiments in > 2010/11. The ground conductivity must be "fair" there. 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That worked excellent. Matching was done with a 28m > long RG58 cable. The losses couldn't have been to high since i run 600W > RF and nothing became significantly warm. > One evening i was in QSO with a German station while it started to rain. > If the kite becomes wet, the wind has to be stronger or at least stable > to keep it in the sky. So it was a question of time until the kite falls > down. It was completely dark and i didn't see the kite. > The QSO partner became weaker and the QRN was down. Later i saw that the > kite was stretched on the wet ground. The SWR was down but anyway it was > possible to hear the other station and it was possible to finish the QSO!= !! > That was exactly the location where i did the VLF kite experiments in > 2010/11. The ground conductivity must be "fair" there. fair ground conductivity you say! =20 I have read something about "earth level dipoles" experimentation on the=20 desert sand and on snow/glass fair ground.=20 But I don't remember when and where.... 73 de Claudio ik2pii > So, if this is possible with a J antenna on the ground (should behave > about like a dipole on the ground (?) ), it must work on MF too. Or am i > wrong? That means, for a MF dipole test i would start to try to lay it > on the ground. If this works with reasonable efficiency, so that a QSO > is possible, it would be a simple solution for a quick /p MF antenna > that can find its place in a back pack! > > What do the experts think? :-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC =2D-=20 Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii =20 -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Apri subito Conto Corrente Arancio. 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