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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete May be only 2 stations have decodes , ROS activity showing over EU area , so band was open 73 -G.. [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 6877d1f4699ca97ef7f8cfa05e512b36 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CD61FE.FD9B4010" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:404201120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb5001cc514cea X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CD61FE.FD9B4010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete=20 May be only 2 stations have decodes , ROS activity showing = over EU area , so band was open=20 73 -G.. Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC)=20 OE5RPP OE5RPP 10m OPERA 0 kms 18:05:07=20 R3LW R3LW 10m OPERA 0 kms 17:08:12=20 ON5IP ON5IP 10m OPERA 0 kms 16:09:45=20 ON5DC ON5IP 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:40:15=20 ON5IP ON5DC 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:39:01=20 RX3DHR RX3DHR 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:35:17=20 M0FMT M0FMT 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:34:48=20 ON5DC ON5DC 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:30:34=20 DK8IZ DK8IZ 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:29:13=20 RA3IM RA3IM 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:24:42=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Hi Graham Is there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monitoring, band = open, but nothing? Any comments? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 1:09 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Ok Stefan, QRT , next to look at the reports , I think tonight , minimum = decode levels are very close , the longer OP modes are much lower = , but the qsb on 500 tends to prevent gain being made by extended = times=20 Opera was designed to be sent by a normal CW Tx , psk/fsk = has a dB advantage , but not all stations can send fsk or = psk, , especially on 136 .. Without the racal ma1723 , it would = be difficult to use fsk or psk on 500 , ( not that psk is any = use on 500 .. too much phase shifting ) =20 Not sure on the wspr settings , I dont think the software can = produce 12 Khz , stations use ,pic-dds , that may be a way = ahead ?=20 But tonight , using the m-delt4 sound card , I found the mixer = monitor could be used to combine 2 channels , so the audio = quality was much better than in the past, with no IMP showing = ...=20 73 -G. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:26 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Hi Graham, LF/MF, Nice setup to see which mode is "better". Rik/ON7YD has done some = tests a few months ago i remember. Now you need many receiving stations = who monitor these 2 modes to the same time as well. Compared to WSPR i clearly find Opera an advantage regarding the ease = of keying the PA without the need of FSK. On LF i could run both modes since i have the IQ upconverter (can WSPR = set to an output frequency of 12.5 kHz?? (to be mixed with 125 kHz)) but = on MF i would need to extend my setup... I really would like to join in tonite but i can't :-((( 73, GL, Stefan/DK7FC Am 13.07.2012 20:20, schrieb Graham:=20 No cheating , carriers are identical !=20 tnx Gary for grabber=20 73 -G.=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:06 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz All,=20 DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Running dual beacon , parallel Tx times ......Tx 100% duty = cycle=20 Dial set 500.000 Khz USB =20 73 - Graham G0NBD ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CD61FE.FD9B4010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pete
 
May be  only   2  stations   = have =20 decodes  ,  ROS  activity  showing  over  = EU area=20 , so  band  was  open
 
73 -G..
 
 
Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) OE5RPP OE5RPP 10m OPERA 0 kms 18:05:07 R3LW R3LW 10m OPERA 0 kms 17:08:12 ON5IP ON5IP 10m OPERA 0 kms 16:09:45 ON5DC ON5IP 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:40:15 ON5IP ON5DC 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:39:01 RX3DHR RX3DHR 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:35:17 M0FMT M0FMT 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:34:48 ON5DC ON5DC 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:30:34 DK8IZ DK8IZ 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:29:13 RA3IM RA3IM 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:24:42
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA = 500Khz

Hi Graham
 
Is there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monitoring, band = open,=20 but nothing? Any comments?
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Saturday, 14 = July=20 2012, 1:09
Subject: = Re: LF:=20 DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz

Ok Stefan,
 
QRT  , next to  look at the  reports  , I = think =20 tonight  , minimum   decode  levels  are = very =20 close ,  the  longer  OP modes are much lower , but = the =20 qsb on 500 tends to  prevent  gain being  made by  = extended  times
 
Opera   was  designed to  be  sent  = by=20 a  normal   CW  Tx   , = psk/fsk   =20 has a  dB  advantage , but  not  all  = stations =20 can send   fsk or  psk, , especially  on  = 136  ..=20 Without the  racal  ma1723 , it  would  be  = difficult=20 to  use fsk or  psk  on  500  , ( not = that =20 psk  is  any  use on 500  .. too  much =20 phase  shifting ) 
 
Not  sure on the  wspr  settings , I dont  = think=20 the  software  can  produce   12 Khz =20 ,   stations  use  ,pic-dds  , that  = may =20 be a  way  ahead ?
 
But tonight , using the  m-delt4    sound  = card , I=20 found the    mixer  monitor  could  = be =20 used to  combine  2  channels  , so  = the =20 audio  quality  was much better  than  in = the  past,=20 with  no  IMP  showing  ...
 
73 -G.

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA = 500Khz

Hi Graham, LF/MF,

Nice setup to see which mode = is=20 "better". Rik/ON7YD has done some tests a few months ago i remember. = Now you=20 need many receiving stations who monitor these 2 modes to the same = time as=20 well.
Compared to WSPR i clearly find Opera an advantage regarding = the ease=20 of keying the PA without the need of FSK.
On LF i could run both = modes=20 since i have the IQ upconverter (can WSPR set to an output frequency = of 12.5=20 kHz?? (to be mixed with 125 kHz)) but on MF i would need to extend my=20 setup...

I really would like to join in tonite but i can't=20 :-(((

73, GL, Stefan/DK7FC



Am 13.07.2012 20:20, = schrieb=20 Graham:=20
No  cheating  , carriers  are =20 identical  !
 
tnx  Gary  for  grabber 
 
73 -G. 
 
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA = 500Khz

All,
 
DUAL  BEACON   WSPR + OPERA   = 500Khz
 
Running   dual  beacon  , = parallel   Tx=20 times ......Tx   100%   duty cycle
 
Dial  set   500.000  Khz  USB  =
 
73 - Graham
G0NBD
 
 
 


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