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Time to crawl into my cave knuckles dragging....... 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > From: Graham >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 20:26 >Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz > > >Pete > >May be only 2 stations have decodes , ROS activity showing over EU area , so band was open > >73 -G.. > > >Txmtr Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time (UTC) >OE5RPP OE5RPP 10m OPERA 0 kms 18:05:07 >R3LW R3LW 10m OPERA 0 kms 17:08:12 >ON5IP ON5IP 10m OPERA 0 kms 16:09:45 >ON5DC ON5IP 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:40:15 >ON5IP ON5DC 10m OPERA 4 kms 15:39:01 >RX3DHR RX3DHR 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:35:17 >M0FMT M0FMT 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:34:48 >ON5DC ON5DC 10m OPERA 0 kms 15:30:34 >DK8IZ DK8IZ 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:29:13 >RA3IM RA3IM 10m OPERA 0 kms 08:24:42 > > >From: M0FMT >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:52 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz >Hi Graham > >Is there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monitoring, band open, but nothing? Any comments? >73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > >> >>From: Graham >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 1:09 >>Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz >> >>Ok Stefan, >> >>QRT , next to look at the reports , I think tonight , minimum decode levels are very close , the longer OP modes are much lower , but the qsb on 500 tends to prevent gain being made by extended times >> >>Opera was designed to be sent by a normal CW Tx , psk/fsk has a dB advantage , but not all stations can send fsk or psk, , especially on 136 .. Without the racal ma1723 , it would be difficult to use fsk or psk on 500 , ( not that psk is any use on 500 .. too much phase shifting ) >> >>Not sure on the wspr settings , I dont think the software can produce 12 Khz , stations use ,pic-dds , that may be a way ahead ? >> >>But tonight , using the m-delt4 sound card , I found the mixer monitor could be used to combine 2 channels , so the audio quality was much better than in the past, with no IMP [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 3aadd9fea9ba15034c375823b9f54189 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1613889061-2099112799-1342296618=:90563" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:404821952:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d008.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40865001dc4f3aa9 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1613889061-2099112799-1342296618=:90563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Graham =0A=A0=0AJust worked out how to get the statistics...........= deerrrr!!=A0 Time to crawl into my cave knuckles dragging.......=0A=0A73 e= s GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: = Graham =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Se= nt: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 20:26=0A>Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR += OPERA 500Khz=0A> =0A> =0A>Pete =0A>=0A>May be=A0 only=A0=A0 2=A0 stati= ons=A0=A0 have=A0 =0Adecodes=A0 ,=A0 ROS=A0 activity=A0 showing=A0 over=A0 = EU area =0A, so=A0 band=A0 was=A0 open =0A>=0A>73 -G.. =0A>=0A>=0A>Txmtr = Rcvr Band Mode Distance Time=A0(UTC) =0A>OE5RPP OE5RPP 10m OPERA 0= =A0kms 18:05:07 =0A>R3LW R3LW 10m OPERA 0=A0kms 17:08:12 =0A>ON5IP = ON5IP 10m OPERA 0=A0kms 16:09:45 =0A>ON5DC ON5IP 10m OPERA 4=A0km= s 15:40:15 =0A>ON5IP ON5DC 10m OPERA 4=A0kms 15:39:01 =0A>RX3DHR R= X3DHR 10m OPERA 0=A0kms 15:35:17 =0A>M0FMT M0FMT 10m OPERA 0=A0kms= 15:34:48 =0A>ON5DC ON5DC 10m OPERA 0=A0kms 15:30:34 =0A>DK8IZ DK8= IZ 10m OPERA 0=A0kms 08:29:13 =0A>RA3IM RA3IM 10m OPERA 0=A0kms 0= 8:24:42 =0A>=0A> =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:52 P= M =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WS= PR + OPERA 500Khz =0A>Hi Graham =0A>=0A>Is there any activity on the 28.07= 6/8 op QRG? been monitoring, band open, =0Abut nothing? Any comments? =0A>7= 3 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =0A>=0A>>________________________________=0A>>Fro= m: Graham =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>>Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 1:09=0A>>Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON = WSPR + OPERA 500Khz=0A>> =0A>>Ok Stefan, =0A>>=0A>>QRT=A0 , next to=A0 look= at the=A0 reports=A0 , I think=A0 tonight=A0 , minimum=A0=A0 decode=A0 le= vels=A0 are very=A0 close ,=A0 the=A0 longer=A0 OP modes are much lower , = but the=A0 qsb on 500 tends to=A0 prevent=A0 gain being=A0 made by=A0 ext= ended=A0 times =0A>>=0A>>Opera=A0=A0 was=A0 designed to=A0 be=A0 sent=A0 b= y a=A0 normal=A0=A0 CW=A0 Tx=A0=A0 , psk/fsk=A0=A0=A0 has a=A0 dB=A0 adva= ntage , but=A0 not=A0 all=A0 stations=A0 can send =A0 fsk or=A0 psk, , esp= ecially=A0 on=A0 136=A0 .. Without the=A0 racal=A0 ma1723 , it=A0 would=A0= be=A0 difficult to=A0 use fsk or=A0 psk=A0 on=A0 500=A0 , ( not that=A0 = psk=A0 is=A0 any=A0 use on 500=A0 .. too=A0 much=A0 phase=A0 shifting )=A0= =0A>>=0A>>Not=A0 sure on the=A0 wspr=A0 settings , I dont=A0 think the= =A0 software=A0 can=A0 produce=A0=A0 12 Khz=A0 ,=A0=A0 stations=A0 use=A0 = ,pic-dds=A0 , that=A0 may=A0 be a=A0 way=A0 ahead ? =0A>>=0A>>But tonight= , using the=A0 m-delt4=A0 =A0 sound=A0 card , I found the=A0=A0=A0 mixer= =A0 monitor=A0 could=A0 be=A0 used to=A0 combine=A0 2=A0 channels=A0 , so= =A0 the=A0 audio=A0 quality=A0 was much better=A0 than=A0 in the=A0 past, = with=A0 no=A0 IMP=A0 showing=A0 ... =0A>>=0A>>73 -G. =0A>> =0A>>From: Ste= fan Sch=E4fer =0A>>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:26 PM =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz = Hi Graham, LF/MF,Nice setup to see which mode is "better". Rik/ON7YD has d= one some tests a few months ago i remember. Now you need many receiving st= ations who monitor these 2 modes to the same time as well.Compared to WSPR= i clearly find Opera an advantage regarding the ease of keying the PA wit= hout the need of FSK.On LF i could run both modes since i have the IQ upco= nverter (can WSPR set to an output frequency of 12.5 kHz?? (to be mixed wi= th 125 kHz)) but on MF i would need to extend my setup...I really would li= ke to join in tonite but i can't :-(((73, GL, Stefan/DK7FCAm 13.07.2012 20= :20, schrieb Graham: =0A>>No=A0 cheating=A0 , carriers=A0 are=A0 identica= l=A0=A0! =0A>>>=0A>>>tnx=A0 Gary=A0 for=A0 grabber=A0 =0A>>>=0A>>>73 -G.= =A0 =0A>>> =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>From: Graham =0A>>>Sent: Friday, July = 13, 2012 7:06 PM =0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Subject: LF:= DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz =0A>>>All, =0A>>>=0A>>>DUAL=A0 BEACON=A0= =A0 WSPR + OPERA=A0=A0 500Khz =0A>>>=0A>>>Running=A0=A0 dual=A0 beacon=A0 ,= parallel=A0=A0 Tx times ......Tx=A0=A0 100%=A0=A0 duty cycle =0A>>>=0A>>= >Dial=A0 set=A0=A0 500.000=A0 Khz=A0 USB=A0 =0A>>>=0A>>>73 - Graham =0A>>>= G0NBD =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> ---1613889061-2099112799-1342296618=:90563 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Graha= m
 
Just worked out how to get the statistics....= ....... deerrrr!!  Time to crawl into my cave knuckles dragging.......=
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 20:26
Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR += OPERA 500Khz
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OE5RPPOE5RPP10mOPERA0 kms= 18:05:07
R3LWR3LW10mOPERA0 = kms17:08:12
ON5IPON5IP10mOPERA0 kms16:09:45
ON5DCON5IP10mOPERA4 = kms15:40:15
ON5IPON5DC10mOPERA4 kms15:39:01
RX3DHRRX3DHR10mOPERA0 kms15:35:17
M0FMT= M0FMT10mOPERA<= /td>=0A 0 kms15:34:48
ON5DCON5DC10m=0A OPERA0 kms15:30:34
DK8IZDK8IZ= 10mOPERA0 kms08:29:13
RA3IMRA3IM10mOPERA0 kms08:24:42
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Hi Graham
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=0AIs there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monitoring, band open= , =0Abut nothing? Any comments?
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X=0A
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= Sent: Saturday, 14 July =0A 2012, 1:09
Subject: Re: LF: =0A DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA = 500Khz
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Ok Stefan,
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QRT  , next = to  look at the  reports  , I think  =0A tonight = , minimum   decode  levels  are very  =0A close = ,  the  longer  OP modes are much lower , but the  =0A = qsb on 500 tends to  prevent  gain being  made by  =0A= extended  times
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Opera &nb= sp; was  designed to  be  sent  by =0A a  normal&= nbsp;  CW  Tx   , psk/fsk    =0A has a&= nbsp; dB  advantage , but  not  all  stations  =0A= can send   fsk or  psk, , especially  on  136  .= . =0A Without the  racal  ma1723 , it  would  be = difficult =0A to  use fsk or  psk  on  500  , ( = not that  =0A psk  is  any  use on 500  .. too&nb= sp; much  =0A phase  shifting ) 
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Not  sure on the  wspr  settings , I dont  = think =0A the  software  can  produce   12 Khz&nb= sp; =0A ,   stations  use  ,pic-dds  , that = may  =0A be a  way  ahead ?
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But tonight , using the  m-delt4    sound  ca= rd , I =0A found the    mixer  monitor  could&nbs= p; be  =0A used to  combine  2  channels  , so&nb= sp; the  =0A audio  quality  was much better  than&nbs= p; in the  past, =0A with  no  IMP  showing  ... =
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= From: Stefan Sch=E4fe= r =0A
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:26 PM=0A =0A
Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Kh= z
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Hi Graham, LF/MF,Nice set= up to see which mode is =0A "better". Rik/ON7YD has done some tests a few = months ago i remember. Now you =0A need many receiving stations who monito= r these 2 modes to the same time as =0A well.Compared to WSPR i clear= ly find Opera an advantage regarding the ease =0A of keying the PA without= the need of FSK.On LF i could run both modes =0A since i have the IQ= upconverter (can WSPR set to an output frequency of 12.5 =0A kHz?? (to be= mixed with 125 kHz)) but on MF i would need to extend my =0A setup...I really would like to join in tonite but i can't =0A :-(((73, GL, Stefan/DK7FCAm 13.07.2012 20:20, schrieb =0A = Graham: =0A
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No  cheating  = , carriers  are  =0A identical  !
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tnx  Gary  for  grabber 
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73 -G. 
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From:= Graham
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:06 PM
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Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz
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All,
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Running   dual  beacon&= nbsp; , parallel   Tx =0A times ......Tx   100% = ;  duty cycle
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Dial  set=    500.000  Khz  USB 
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73 - Graham
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