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Received: from [86.164.26.19] by web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:52:44 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <2EF69530CC694F89ADDC70851C979A5D@AGB> <5000A0A4.4040608@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Message-ID: <1342291964.56648.YahooMailNeo@web171604.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:52:44 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Graham Is there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monitoring, band open, but nothing? Any comments? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > From: Graham >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 1:09 >Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz > > > >Ok Stefan, > >QRT , next to look at the reports , I think tonight , minimum decode levels are very close , the longer OP modes are much lower , but the qsb on 500 tends to prevent gain being made by extended times > >Opera was designed to be sent by a normal CW Tx , psk/fsk has a dB advantage , but not all stations can send fsk or psk, , especially on 136 .. Without the racal ma1723 , it would be difficult to use fsk or psk on 500 , ( not that psk is any use on 500 .. too much phase shifting ) > >Not sure on the wspr settings , I dont think the software can produce 12 Khz , stations use ,pic-dds , that may be a way ahead ? > >But tonight , using the m-delt4 sound card , I found the mixer monitor could be used to combine 2 channels , so the audio quality was much better than in the past, with no IMP showing ... > >73 -G. > > >From: Stefan Schäfer >Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:26 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz > >Hi Graham, LF/MF, > >Nice setup to see which mode is "better". Rik/ON7YD has done some tests a few months ago i remember. Now you need many receiving stations who monitor these 2 modes to the same time as well. >Compared to WSPR i clearly find Opera an advantage regarding the ease of keying the PA without the need of FSK. >On LF i could run both modes since i have the IQ upconverter (can WSPR set to an output frequency of 12.5 kHz?? (to be mixed with 125 kHz)) but on MF i would need to extend my setup... > >I really would like to join in tonite but i can't :-((( > >73, GL, Stefan/DK7FC > > > >Am 13.07.2012 20:20, schrieb Graham: >No cheating , carriers are identical ! >> >>tnx Gary for grabber >> >>73 -G. >> >> >> >> >> >>From: Graham >>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:06 PM >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA [...] Content analysis details: (2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.213 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.2 TVD_SUBJ_ACC_NUM Subject has spammy looking monetary reference 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 FSL_FREEMAIL_2 0.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 131286aabc28dd54c072e5e89638c651 Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="435439028-1780865359-1342291964=:56648" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1465001c8c8087b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --435439028-1780865359-1342291964=:56648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Graham=0A=A0=0AIs there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monito= ring, band open, but nothing? Any comments?=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX= =0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Graham =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturday, 14 July = 2012, 1:09=0A>Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz=0A> = =0A>=0A> =0A>Ok Stefan, =0A>=0A>QRT=A0 , next to=A0 look at the=A0 reports= =A0 , I think=A0 =0Atonight=A0 , minimum=A0=A0 decode=A0 levels=A0 are very= =A0 =0Aclose ,=A0 the=A0 longer=A0 OP modes are much lower , but the=A0 qsb= =0Aon 500 tends to=A0 prevent=A0 gain being=A0 made by=A0 =0Aextended=A0 t= imes =0A>=0A>Opera=A0=A0 was=A0 designed to=A0 be=A0 sent=A0 by =0Aa=A0 no= rmal=A0=A0 CW=A0 Tx=A0=A0 , psk/fsk=A0=A0=A0 =0Ahas a=A0 dB=A0 advantage , = but=A0 not=A0 all=A0 stations=A0 =0Acan send =A0 fsk or=A0 psk, , especiall= y=A0 on=A0 136=A0 .. =0AWithout the=A0 racal=A0 ma1723 , it=A0 would=A0 be= =A0 difficult =0Ato=A0 use fsk or=A0 psk=A0 on=A0 500=A0 , ( not that=A0 = =0Apsk=A0 is=A0 any=A0 use on 500=A0 .. too=A0 much=A0 =0Aphase=A0 shifting= )=A0 =0A>=0A>Not=A0 sure on the=A0 wspr=A0 settings , I dont=A0 think =0A= the=A0 software=A0 can=A0 produce=A0=A0 12 Khz=A0 =0A,=A0=A0 stations=A0 us= e=A0 ,pic-dds=A0 , that=A0 may=A0 be =0Aa=A0 way=A0 ahead ? =0A>=0A>But to= night , using the=A0 m-delt4=A0 =A0 sound=A0 card , I =0Afound the=A0=A0=A0= mixer=A0 monitor=A0 could=A0 be=A0 used =0Ato=A0 combine=A0 2=A0 channels= =A0 , so=A0 the=A0 audio=A0 =0Aquality=A0 was much better=A0 than=A0 in the= =A0 past, with=A0 =0Ano=A0 IMP=A0 showing=A0 ... =0A>=0A>73 -G. =0A>=0A> = =0A>From: Stefan Sch=E4fer =0A>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 11:26 PM =0A>To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPE= RA 500Khz =0A>=0A>Hi Graham, LF/MF,=0A>=0A>Nice setup to see which mode is = =0A"better". Rik/ON7YD has done some tests a few months ago i remember. Now= you =0Aneed many receiving stations who monitor these 2 modes to the same = time as =0Awell.=0A>Compared to WSPR i clearly find Opera an advantage rega= rding the ease =0Aof keying the PA without the need of FSK.=0A>On LF i coul= d run both modes since =0Ai have the IQ upconverter (can WSPR set to an out= put frequency of 12.5 kHz?? (to =0Abe mixed with 125 kHz)) but on MF i woul= d need to extend my setup...=0A>=0A>I =0Areally would like to join in tonit= e but i can't :-(((=0A>=0A>73, GL, =0AStefan/DK7FC=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Am 13.07.= 2012 20:20, schrieb Graham: =0A>No=A0 cheating=A0 , carriers=A0 are=A0 iden= tical=A0=A0! =0A>>=0A>>tnx=A0 Gary=A0 for=A0 grabber=A0 =0A>>=0A>>73 -G.= =A0 =0A>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>From: Graham =0A>>Sent: Friday, July 1= 3, 2012 7:06 PM =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Subject: LF: DU= AL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>All, =0A>>=0A>>DUAL=A0 BEACO= N=A0=A0 WSPR + OPERA=A0=A0 500Khz =0A>>=0A>>Running=A0=A0 dual=A0 beacon=A0= , parallel=A0=A0 Tx times ......Tx=A0=A0 100%=A0=A0 duty cycle =0A>>=0A>= >Dial=A0 set=A0=A0 500.000=A0 Khz=A0 USB=A0 =0A>>=0A>>73 - Graham =0A>>G0N= BD =0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>=0A> --435439028-1780865359-1342291964=:56648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Graham
 = ;
Is there any activity on the 28.076/8 op QRG? been monitoring, = band open, but nothing? Any comments?
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO9= 1UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk= >
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <= br> Sent: Saturday, 14 Jul= y 2012, 1:09
Subject: = Re: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500Khz

=0A=0A =0A =0A
=0A
Ok Stefan,
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=0A
Q= RT  , next to  look at the  reports  , I think  = =0Atonight  , minimum   decode  levels  are very&n= bsp; =0Aclose ,  the  longer  OP modes are much lower , but = the  qsb =0Aon 500 tends to  prevent  gain being  made = by  =0Aextended  times
=0A
 
=0A
Opera&nb= sp;  was  designed to  be  sent  by =0Aa  nor= mal   CW  Tx   , psk/fsk    =0Ahas = a  dB  advantage , but  not  all  stations  = =0Acan send   fsk or  psk, , especially  on  136  = .. =0AWithout the  racal  ma1723 , it  would  be  = difficult =0Ato  use fsk or  psk  on  500  , ( not= that  =0Apsk  is  any  use on 500  .. too  m= uch  =0Aphase  shifting ) 
=0A
 
=0ANot  sure on the  wspr  settings , I dont  think =0Ath= e  software  can  produce   12 Khz  =0A, = ;  stations  use  ,pic-dds  , that  may  be = =0Aa  way  ahead ?
=0A
 
=0A
But tonight = , using the  m-delt4    sound  card , I =0Afound the&nb= sp;   mixer  monitor  could  be  used =0Ato&n= bsp; combine  2  channels  , so  the  audio  = =0Aquality  was much better  than  in the  past, with&n= bsp; =0Ano  IMP  showing  ...
=0A
 
=0A<= div>73 -G.
=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A=0A
Sent: Friday, Ju= ly 13, 2012 11:26 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: DUAL BEACON= WSPR + OPERA 500Khz
=0A

Hi Graham, LF/MF,
Nice setup to see which mode is =0A"better". Rik/ON7YD has done some = tests a few months ago i remember. Now you =0Aneed many receiving stations = who monitor these 2 modes to the same time as =0Awell.
Compared to WSPR = i clearly find Opera an advantage regarding the ease =0Aof keying the PA wi= thout the need of FSK.
On LF i could run both modes since =0Ai have the = IQ upconverter (can WSPR set to an output frequency of 12.5 kHz?? (to =0Abe= mixed with 125 kHz)) but on MF i would need to extend my setup...

I= =0Areally would like to join in tonite but i can't :-(((

73, GL, = =0AStefan/DK7FC



Am 13.07.2012 20:20, schrieb Graham: =0A=0A =0A
No  cheating  , carriers&nbs= p; are  identical  ! =0A
=0A
 
=0A <= div>tnx  Gary  for  grabber 
=0A
 =0A
73 -G. 
=0A
 
=0A
=0A
 
=0A
 =0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
From: Graham
=0A
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7= :06 PM
=0A =0A
Subject: LF: DUAL BEACON WSPR + OPERA 500= Khz
=0A

=0A
All,
=0A
&nb= sp;
=0A
DUAL  BEACON   WSPR + OPERA   5= 00Khz
=0A
 
=0A
Running   dual  b= eacon  , parallel   Tx =0A times ......Tx   100%&= nbsp;  duty cycle
=0A
 
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Dial  set=    500.000  Khz  USB 
=0A
 
= =0A
73 - Graham
=0A
G0NBD
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