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To: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:07:20 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1338719720.38541.YahooMailNeo@web171605.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Dear All, To re-enforce Pete's comments below, I use Outlook running under Windoze to retrieve e-mails from both the blacksheep reflector, and also the Yahoo group. I also use the Yahoo mail service to retrieve mail to my I-Pad. In both cases, the e-mails look identical, except that the Yahoo LF group e-mails have a couple of clickable links at the bottom. The e-mail client (Outlook & the Apple mail client) just checks the server every few minutes and pulls down any new mail from both LF sources. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.60 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: a32b10ac5c14008078455df469dc45d3 Subject: LF: Reflector status - junk-free.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD4181.6D1C72E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:348700256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d294.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60584fcb457f5c41 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD4181.6D1C72E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, To re-enforce Pete's comments below, I use Outlook running under Windoze to retrieve e-mails from both the blacksheep reflector, and also the Yahoo group. I also use the Yahoo mail service to retrieve mail to my I-Pad. In both cases, the e-mails look identical, except that the Yahoo LF group e-mails have a couple of clickable links at the bottom. The e-mail client (Outlook & the Apple mail client) just checks the server every few minutes and pulls down any new mail from both LF sources. Otherwise - no difference. No adverts, no other extraneous stuff. I guess that if one uses the Web to access one's mail service online with Internet Explorer or Firefox, the advertising garbage may then be visible, but as I don't, I never see the junk. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 03 June 2012 11:35 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Hi All I may be missing the point here and appologies if that is the case. To avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The Shock of the New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF mails "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your POP server sans ads! Try it. The presentation is virtually as it was on Blacksheep but with a clickable index at the top of the page. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: DK8KW & DI2BO To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 10:11 Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: Reflector status Hi, While I can understand some people's wishes to continue on the blacksheep server, those should understand that the move to Yahoo is not because email servers are suddenly outdated and not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons behind this transition. Some (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past couple of months and were on 'read only' mode due to some issues with the server. I had tried multiple times to post here and, due to the lack of time, I had to give up. Only recently I found a workaround by using a completely different email account. I am glad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to read and hopefully post on a regular basis, making use of the LF/MF's community joint intelligence and experience. Talking about advertisements and spam: the email address that I used only for the LF-reflector has been swamped in the past years by mails from people from foreign countries offering a lot of money if I assist them to transfer money of numerous people who suddenly and sadly passed away. I am glad to get rid of those spams as well now and gladly take into account some advertisements on the Yahoo group. 73 Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO On 03.06.2012, at 10:37, pws wrote: > To John, G3WKL, > > Please do NOT shut down this reflector. > > 1. It's active in positive sense. > > 2. There are too many hams here who say > "no thanks!" to that advertisement driven > Brave New World were each posting will be > "googleable" for ever. Me too. > > That's the reason I unsubscribed from > some Yapoo-Groups recently. > > 73 Peter, df3lp > ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CD4181.6D1C72E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear=20 All,
 
To=20 re-enforce Pete's comments below, I use Outlook running under Windoze to = retrieve e-mails from both the blacksheep reflector, and also the Yahoo = group. I=20 also use the Yahoo mail service to retrieve mail to my I-Pad. In both = cases, the=20 e-mails look identical, except that the Yahoo LF group e-mails have a = couple of=20 clickable links at the bottom. The e-mail client (Outlook & the = Apple mail=20 client) just checks the server every few minutes and pulls down any new = mail=20 from both LF sources.
 
Otherwise - no difference. No adverts, no other extraneous = stuff. I guess=20 that if one uses the Web to access one's mail service online with = Internet=20 Explorer or Firefox, the advertising garbage may then be visible, = but as I=20 don't, I never see the junk.
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 M0FMT
Sent: 03 June 2012 11:35
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: O.T.: = Reflector=20 status

Hi All
 
I may be missing the point here and appologies if that is = the=20 case.
 
To avoid the adverts and the "Brave New World" or "The = Shock of the=20 New" that Yahoo has brought to LF you can elect to have your LF mails=20 "Bundled" and delivered to your existing Web e-mail address or to your = POP=20 server sans ads!
 
Try it. The presentation is virtually as it was on Blacksheep but = with a=20 clickable index at the top of the page.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 DK8KW & DI2BO <dk8kw.di2bo@googlemail.com>
To: = "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012,=20 10:11
Subject: Re: = LF: O.T.:=20 Reflector status

Hi,

While I can understand = some=20 people's wishes to continue on the blacksheep server, those should = understand=20 that the move to Yahoo is not because email servers are suddenly = outdated and=20 not 'en vogue' any longer. There are reasons behind this transition. = Some=20 (many?) of us had trouble to post in the past couple of months and = were on=20 'read only' mode due to some issues with the server. I had tried = multiple=20 times to post here and, due to the lack of time, I had to give up. = Only=20 recently I found a workaround by using a completely different email = account. I=20 am glad that with the Yahoo Group I can return to read and hopefully = post on a=20 regular basis, making use of the LF/MF's community joint intelligence = and=20 experience.

Talking about advertisements and spam: the email = address=20 that I used only for the LF-reflector has been swamped in the past = years by=20 mails from people from foreign countries offering a lot of money if I = assist=20 them to transfer money of numerous people who suddenly and sadly = passed away.=20 I am glad to get rid of those spams as well now and gladly take into = account=20 some advertisements on the Yahoo group.

73

Geri, DK8KW = &=20 DI2BO

On 03.06.2012, at 10:37, pws <pws@legal-medicine.de> = wrote:

> To John, G3WKL,
>
> Please do NOT shut = down=20 this reflector.
>
> 1. It's active in positive = sense.
>=20
> 2. There are too many hams here who say
> "no thanks!" = to that=20 advertisement driven
> Brave New World were each posting will = be
>=20 "googleable" for ever. Me too.
>
> That's the reason I=20 unsubscribed from
> some Yapoo-Groups recently.
>
> = 73=20 Peter, df3lp
>=20



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