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Content preview: Andy quotes 16 bits on the yahoo for the fun-Q , I though was 24 well this has been about for a while , with the PIC based projects that needed the £20 pic pr-loaded to finish the job ...... most hard-faced one I watched , was the digital voice , who after many hams helped the project , some with code etc , sold out to become d-star [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: a7807433649b9158e303ad9d84055145 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:449467104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4fe33f8167af X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy quotes 16 bits on the yahoo for the fun-Q , I though = was 24 =20 well this has been about for a while , with the PIC based = projects that needed the =C2=A320 pic pr-loaded to finish the = job ...... most hard-faced one I watched , was the digital voice = , who after many hams helped the project , some with code etc = , sold out to become d-star =20 At least Georges svg packet-engine , kept the last free working = issue on his web-site , nothing wrong with that , and the = commercial version of ROS doesn't seem to be on the horizon , so = that's another mad-chicken shot =20 But your right, in the land of 'not as we know it' A request for = a special tx permit to test a hardware based spread spectrum = modem for HF was actually rejected ..how much is a pactor modem = or the super-packet hf modem to buy ?...... imagine if some one = then posted a free for all software version ..... that would of = caused a big pie-fight ! Echo ? only of the past hihi=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Graham Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it. BTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this = reflector?? 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 14:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Well unintended consequence may be playing a part in this as = well , by the time the project was finished ,I think it was out = of economic production range , the rest is on-going history as = development costs probably will not be re-claimed , its cheap , = but not that cheap , same as lots of posts about making = digital back-ends for older HF radios ...eh ! , =C2=A310 soft = rock or a dongel , job done , something in qst / qex looks 10 = years too late , why not a Leakey grid 6c4 AM detector , if you = want to go retro=20 24 bit compared to the 8 bit USB-TV , but apparently that's not = the problem that might be imagined ......Ive one sitting in the = box , still slowly working down the things to do list ......... = now one that Tx over that range . that would be handy ! G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Marco Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not = cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the dark side of ham radio = publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T stick is = probably a lower spec than that. But not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" =20 Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012, 10:30 Subject: RE: LF: SDR programs Hello Pete, I bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and = it=E2=80=99s very impressive how this small USB stick works. I compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the = same signal strength. SDR program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/ vy73 Marco, DD7PC From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 20 June 2012 20:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi all=20 Save those precious Euros because you don=E2=80=99t know how long they = will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint Seeber=E2=80=99s BorIP app and = ExtIO.USRP DLL using ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 = (chip set) DVB-T USB stick.=20 These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to =C2=A310 from UK = source and cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg = O/T osc the cheap way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v = into an SLB-1 or similar block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound = card) SDR RX with DC to UHF coverage for peanuts all run off the USB = supply just add antenna.=20 Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV stations = with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough all your local FM BC as well. Not a lot of = people know that! URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=20 https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239 http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_compatibility_list_v= 2_work_in_progress/ You won=E2=80=99t read about this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0) Yy 73 Pete M0fmt =20 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012, 18:40 Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs Hi Piotr, Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i searched for. But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR software = is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're referring on usable for both, IQ and mono? Well, i'm waiting for one of my SL teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) = answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab i would prefer that i think... Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > Hi Stefan, LF >=20 > i have SDR-IQ receiver from RFSpace. The primary supporting software = for all their sdr hardware is Spectravue. > you can download this program from the rfspace site: >=20 > http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html >=20 > i do recommend this program although it is sligthly difficult to get = started. > However, once you get familiar with it you will like it:) >=20 > on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/ you will also find a = link to sdr -radio: >=20 > http://www.sdr-radio.com/ >=20 > they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver front side > It has many many different options - of course, it does take time to = learn all of them but the basic setup is rather easy.. >=20 > i also recommend HDSDR software: http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html > very intuitive and easy to use. >=20 > Well, there is a growing number of sdr software supporting sdr = hardware. an example of such collection of sdr programs you can find = here: >=20 > https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_software >=20 > = yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01CD4FCB.E08DFED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy quotes   16  bits  on   = the =20 yahoo  for the  fun-Q   , I though  was  = 24 =20
 
well  this  has  been  about  for  = a =20 while  , with the  PIC based   projects  = that =20 needed  the  =C2=A320   pic  pr-loaded  = to  finish=20 the  job ......  most  hard-faced  one   I = watched   , was the  digital voice  , who  = after =20 many  hams  helped  the  project , some =20 with  code etc  , sold  out to  become  = d-star =20
 
At least  Georges   svg packet-engine   , = kept=20 the  last free  working  issue  on  his  = web-site=20 , nothing wrong  with  that , and the  commercial =20 version  of  ROS  doesn't  seem to  be on = the =20 horizon , so  that's another mad-chicken   shot  =
 
But  your  right,  in the  land of  'not = as we=20 know it'  A  request  for a  special  = tx =20 permit  to  test    a hardware based  =  =20 spread  spectrum  modem  for HF was   = actually =20 rejected  ..how  much is a pactor modem  or the =20 super-packet  hf modem to  buy  ?...... imagine  = if =20 some  one then  posted  a  free  for  = all =20 software  version ..... that  would  of  = caused =20 a  big  pie-fight  !
 
Echo  ?  only  of the  past  hihi

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:15 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Graham
 
Yep it's Ham Radio Graham, but not as we know it.
 
BTW, Do you get the feeling there's an echo somewhere on this=20 reflector??

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, 21 = June 2012,=20 14:40
Subject: Re: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Well   unintended   consequence   = may =20 be playing  a  part  in this  as well , by the  = time=20 the  project  was  finished ,I think   it  = was  out of  economic  production  range  =  ,=20 the  rest  is on-going history  as  development = costs =20 probably  will  not  be  re-claimed , its  = cheap =20 , but  not  that  cheap  ,  same as  = lots =20 of  posts  about  making   digital =20 back-ends  for  older  HF  radios  ...eh = !  =20 , =C2=A310  soft rock  or  a  dongel  , = job  done ,=20 something  in qst / qex  looks  10  years too =20 late  , why not a  Leakey  grid  6c4  AM = detector ,=20 if  you  want to  go  retro
 
24  bit  compared to the  8 bit  = USB-TV   ,=20 but  apparently  that's  not the  problem that  = might  be  imagined ......Ive one  sitting  in = the  box=20 ,  still  slowly  working down the  things to  = do =20 list ......... now  one that   Tx over that  = range  .=20 that  would be  handy !
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:02 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi Marco
 
Beware vested interests we are talking cheap here, Funcube is not=20 cheap!!!!!! This whole exercise exposes the = dark side of=20 ham radio publishing. I could say more but suffice to say the DVB-T = stick=20 is probably a lower spec than = that. But=20 not at a ratio of 10 to 1!!!
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org'"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012,=20 10:30
Subject: RE: = LF: SDR=20 programs

Hello=20 Pete,
I=20 bought a Funcube Dongle (covers 60-1700MHz) 2 weeks ago and it=E2=80=99s = very impressive=20 how this small USB stick works.
I=20 compared on 4m (70MHz) the Funcube with my converter and could receive = with the=20 Funcube dongle many stations via Sporadic E nearly with the same signal=20 strength.
SDR=20 program is SDR-Radio http://sdr-radio.com/
 
vy73
Marco,=20 DD7PC
 
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 20 June 2012 = 20:40
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: SDR=20 programs
 
Hi all
Save those precious Euros = because you=20 don=E2=80=99t know how long they will be around. Try HDSDR with Balint = Seeber=E2=80=99s =20 BorIP app and ExtIO.USRP DLL using  ultra-cheap Software Defined Radio with RTL2832 (chip set) = DVB-T USB=20 stick.=20
These DVB-T USB Digital TV sticks are about =C2=A35 to = =C2=A310 from UK source and=20 cover about 50megs to 1.7gigs and with an up converter 60meg O/T osc the = cheap=20 way or expensive Monolithic IC local Oscillator 5v into an SLB-1 or = similar=20 block mixer; you too can have a USB (no sound card) SDR RX with DC to = UHF=20 coverage for peanuts all run off the USB supply just add antenna.=20
Oh and guess what the stick gets you all your local digital TV = stations=20 with record facility and all your local Digital radio and if = that=E2=80=99s not enough=20 all your local FM BC as well.  Not a lot of people know=20 that!
URLs apply=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=3D239
http://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/s6ddo/rtlsdr_comp= atibility_list_v2_work_in_progress/
You = won=E2=80=99t read about=20 this in Radcom=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. :0)
Yy 73  Pete=20 M0fmt
 

 
73 es = GL Pete=20 M0FMT IO91UX
From: = Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June 2012,=20 18:40
Subject: Re: LF: SDR programs

Hi=20 Piotr,

Thanks for the overview of programs. That's what i = searched=20 for.
But maybe i have expressed wrongly what i need. I assumed a SDR = software=20 is also for a mono input, not only for IQ inputs. Are the programs = you're=20 referring on usable for both, IQ and mono?
Well, i'm waiting for one = of my SL=20 teachers (Wolf or Markus :-) ) answer. If there is a solution in SpecLab = i would=20 prefer that i think...

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC

> Hi = Stefan,=20 LF
>
> i have SDR-IQ receiver from  RFSpace. The = primary=20 supporting software for all their sdr  hardware is = Spectravue.
> you=20 can download this program from the rfspace site:
>
> http://www.rfspace.com/RFSPACE/SVDownload.html
>= ;=20
> i do recommend this program  although it is sligthly = difficult to=20 get started.
> However,  once you get familiar with it you = will like=20 it:)
>
> on a "support" page of http://www.rfspace.com/  you = will also find=20 a link to sdr -radio:
>
> http://www.sdr-radio.com/
> =
> =20 they have a very powerful radio console which looks like a regular = transceiver=20 front side
>  It has many many different options - of course, = it does=20 take time to learn all of them but the basic setup is rather = easy..
>=20
> i also recommend  HDSDR software:  http://www.hdsdr.de/index.html
> very = intuitive and easy=20 to use.
>
> Well, there is a growing number of sdr software = supporting  sdr hardware.  an example of such collection of = sdr=20 programs you can find here:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/g4zfqradio/soundcard_sdr_so= ftware
>=20
>                  =  =20                     =  =20                     =  =20         yours, Piotr, SQ7MPJ
>
> qth: = Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
>
>=20



 


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