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By the way, have you voted yet? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ef570e47a9cf5159a8093427727c2c22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:519446880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d010.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574fccc4d42d00 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mal, We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful inputs.=20= By the way, have you voted yet? 73s=20 Roger -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" wrote: > I am only quoting what you published reference items 9 and 10. In some oth= er messages from you there is also mention of vetting and banning. Why is th= is such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concerned. > I am merely pointing out concerns that I have about some of your postings= where vetting and banning keeps cropping up. > My argument and others is that one should be allowed to get their opinion h= eard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombarded with words that im= ply restrictive practice. > I am not aware of any attack going on but surely I am permitted to challen= ge what others say, if it effects me and in this case the move to the Yahoo r= eflector does, as it does others as well and they are expressing their opini= ons daily. > It particularly effects me since I am one of the few radio amateurs that a= re active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice on the reflector is useful to= update activity, propagation conditions, DX alerts and technical data about= changes of equipment, power etc. > Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW or Opera. > =20 > de g3kev > =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >=20 > Dear Mal, >=20 > Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not me.=20 >=20 > Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign.=20 >=20 > 73s > Roger > G3XBM >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -- >=20 > On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" wrote: >=20 >> Reference postings from G3XBM >> I am concerned about items 9 and 10 >> Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members banned. >> Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the credentials of those VETTING a= nd what is a DIFFICULT member probably someone who has a different opinion o= r point of view from his or even a sense of HUMOUR >> What ever happens avoid him as a moderator >> =20 >> de g3kev >> =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Alan Melia ; Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer ; Mar= kus Vester ; James Moritz >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 PM >> Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE >>=20 >> With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again suggest that the LF-r= eflector migrates to a Yahoo group? >>=20 >> In over 10 years I have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or proble= ms with any group to which I belong or moderate. >>=20 >> Instead they have had these advantages: >> Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered in-boxes) >> There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before messages are re= ceived. >> All messages are archived and searchable. >> Large files can be stored. >> Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth. >> Links can be stored/shared >> Videos can be stored. >> Polls can be run. >> Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderators to speed u= p the process) >> Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstances. >> Spam messages can be filtered >> Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc) >> The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot understand why t= he change hasn't made years ago. With the problems this week it is surely ti= me. >>=20 >> To set up a new Yahoo group called "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would tak= e about 30 seconds and migration to it by all interested members here would t= ake about a day at most. All you need is to agree a group name, who owns it,= who can moderate posts and some basic group ground rules/FAQs. >>=20 >> Please, think about it again.=20 >>=20 >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >>=20 >> --=20 >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ >> http://qss2.blogspot.com/ >>=20 --Apple-Mail-083C948B-78E7-476E-B137-AEAD3A050788 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mal,

<= div>We'll let others be the judge regarding your attitude and helpful inputs= . 

By the way, have you voted yet?
<= br>
73s 
Roger

-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver -= -

On 4 Jun 2012, at 14:26, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:

<= div>
I am only quoting what you published reference ite= ms 9 and=20 10. In some other messages from you there is also mention of vetting and=20 banning. Why is this such a problem with you. No one else seems to be concer= ned.=20
 I am merely pointing out concerns that I hav= e about=20 some of your postings where vetting and banning keeps cropping=20 up.
My argument and others is that one should be a= llowed=20 to get their opinion heard without fear or favour and I do no like to bombar= ded=20 with words that imply restrictive practice.
I am not aware of any attack going on but sur= ely I am=20 permitted to challenge what others say, if it effects me and in this ca= se=20 the move to the Yahoo reflector does, as it does others as well and they are= =20 expressing their opinions daily.
It particularly effects me since I am one of the f= ew radio=20 amateurs that are active daily on 500 and 137 khz and a voice=20 on the reflector is useful to update activity, propagation=20 conditions, DX alerts and technical data about changes of=20 equipment, power etc.
Modes currently available when in CQ mode ie CW=20= or Opera.
 
de g3kev
   
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 12:33=20= PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: An "LF-reflect= or"=20 Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE

Dear Mal,

Who said anything about ME being a moderator of the LF group? Not=20 me. 

Please, stop this personal and nasty hate campaign. 

73s
Roger
G3XBM



-- Via my 2.4GHz transceiver --

On 4 Jun 2012, at 13:17, "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:

Reference postings from G3XBM
I am concerned about items 9  and 10
Messages can be VETTED and DIFFICULT members=20= banned.
Sounds like a POLICE state and what are the=20= credentials of those VETTING and what is a DIFFICULT member probably som= eone=20 who has a different opinion or point of view from his or even a sense of= =20 HUMOUR
What ever happens avoid him as a=20 moderator
 
de g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Roger Lapthorn
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9= :51=20 PM
Subject: LF: An "LF-reflector" Y= ahoo=20 group instead .....PLEASE

With the latest outage (5 days already) may I again sug= gest=20 that the LF-reflector migrates to a Yahoo group?

In over 10 yea= rs I=20 have rarely had delays in messages, outages, or problems with any grou= p to=20 which I belong or moderate.

Instead they have had these=20 advantages:
  1. Messages can be read on the web if preferred (saves cluttered=20= in-boxes)
  2. There is rarely a delay of more than a few minutes before m= essages=20 are received.=20
  3. All messages are archived and searchable.
  4. Large files can be stored.=20
  5. Photos can be stored - 100Gigs worth.=20
  6. Links can be stored/shared=20
  7. Videos can be stored.=20
  8. Polls can be run.=20
  9. Messages can be vetted if preferred (by a number of moderat= ors to=20 speed up the process)=20
  10. Difficult members can be banned in exceptional circumstance= s.=20
  11. Spam messages can be filtered
  12. Calendars can be set up (for sked times, news of tests etc)= =20
The advantages go ON and ON and, frankly, I simply cannot=20= understand why the change hasn't made years ago. With the problems thi= s=20 week it is surely time.

To set up a new Yahoo group called=20 "LF-reflector" (or whatever) would take about 30 seconds and migration= to=20 it by all interested members here would take about a day at most. All y= ou=20 need is to agree a group name, who owns it, who can moderate posts and= =20 some basic group ground rules/FAQs.

Please, think about it agai= n.=20

73s
Roger G3XBM

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http:/= /www.g3xbm.co.uk
https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
htt= p://qss2.blogspot.com/

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