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Content preview: No problem Pete Seems activity on 500k mid summer is higher than mid winter , over 16 stations showing up to day , and one new station to MF on my decode list 19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : ) Ae system is working well , top of my loaded wire L is bent back on its self , not convinced its the best arrangement , now the mast has been replaced and the blocks are free, I can try a few changes , see what happens , luckily with about 150 watts I can decode via the delft web-sdr , so thats a good remote f/s meter hi [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 63d9573fd5b71bb4894e61e9d99f1314 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:488789184:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34fca8b49189b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problem Pete Seems activity on 500k mid summer is higher than mid winter , = over 16 stations showing up to day , and one new station to MF = on my decode list 19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : ) Ae system is working well , top of my loaded wire L is bent = back on its self , not convinced its the best arrangement , now the = mast has been replaced and the blocks are free, I can try a few = changes , see what happens , luckily with about 150 watts I can = decode via the delft web-sdr , so thats a good remote f/s meter = hi=20 73 -G. =20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW QRT Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on and now me = it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I mailed = him today ........... via this medium. The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power (depending upon = output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA voltage it's = currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for = the logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, = limits the power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate = the supply to the PA and get a lot more from the device I supose. The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter transformer via = a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the "Top" of the = transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon insulating washers = throught the wall and straight up to the 8inch ribbed glass insulator = about 35 feet then on a slope to a 24foot mast (soon to increased to = 35feet). Tuned against several long earthing wires. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 17:19 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Ok Pete, These are all the decodes I have , I was using the Skanti r5003 Rx = with 40 ft alloy scaffold pole vertical , no atu , only the = pre-selector in the rx , fed vis abt 90 feet of rg213 coax=20 Good signal for 10 watts , just on the edge for the qso mode , = at -20 dB minimum , but 15 watts would do the job ! As I say its the only plug-and-play data mode , just plug in = place of the CW key ( the development was based on the racal = ma1723 , in CW mode at 20 wpm as the maximum keying speed and = envelope shape) 73 -G. 14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB 12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB 12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB 11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi Graham Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon trying to make = up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable power on the rig (GW3UEP) = Class E Fet O/P stage Gate. PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a = bit now actually done nothing to stop it....... weird. I have only just got my head around opera...... thought it was a = linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW = transmission which I like. Thanks for all the info on opera btw. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:37 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Wow and that was just using the Op w/fall ! You could reduce to = 2 watts and still decode ! =20 Glad the system is working for you=20 G..=20 From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Thanks Paul Graham is right about QRG. My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC keyer (not = affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer looking. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012, 13:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial could be 503.275 ? +/- a bit ! G. From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial >on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting What is the actual tx qrg then? Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM Subject: LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial Hi All Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting. Temporary = QRG. 73 Pete FMT 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 E-Mail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virendatenbank: 2425/5038 - Ausgabedatum: = 01.06.2012=20 ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CD4112.5B798600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No problem Pete
 
Seems  activity on   500k  mid  = summer =20 is  higher  than  mid winter  , over  16 = stations =20 showing  up  to  day , and  one  new  = station=20  to  MF  on my  decode  list  19:34 500 G3YXM Op4 +2 dB : )
 
Ae system  is  working  well  , = top=20 of  my  loaded  wire  L  is bent  = back  on=20 its self , not  convinced its the  best arrangement ,  = now=20 the  mast has  been  replaced  and the  = blocks =20 are  free, I can  try a  few  changes , = see   what=20 happens , luckily  with  about  150 watts  I = can =20 decode  via the  delft  web-sdr  , so  thats a=20 good   remote  f/s  meter hi 
 
73 -G. 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 6:41 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial - NOW=20 QRT

Thanks for all the info Graham locally we have Chris G3XIZ on = and now=20 me it only leaves Dennis MoJXM who I am sure will get into this, I = mailed him=20 today ........... via this medium.
 
The Rig I described it is capable of much higher power=20 (depending upon output FET currently an IR840?) with increase in PA = voltage it's=20 currently got 12volts applied. Because I use 7812 voltage regulators for = the=20 logic stages they will only stand about 25volts max, with this rig, = limits the=20 power to around 30 to 40 Watts O/P. Suppose I could separate the supply = to the=20 PA and get a lot more from the device I supose.
The output goes straight into the aerial 100mm diameter = transformer=20 via a short coax lead then to 2 link turns, then from the = "Top"=20 of the transformer to the up lead which goes through teflon = insulating=20 washers throught the wall and straight up  to=20 the 8inch ribbed glass insulator about 35 feet then on a slope = to a=20 24foot mast (soon to increased to 35feet). Tuned against several long = earthing=20 wires.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 17:19
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Ok  Pete,
 
These are all  the  decodes  I have , I was using = the =20 Skanti  r5003  Rx  with    40 ft alloy=20 scaffold  pole   vertical  , no  atu , = only =20 the  pre-selector  in the  rx , fed vis  abt  = 90 feet=20 of  rg213 coax
 
Good  signal  for  10 watts  , just on = the =20 edge  for the  qso  mode  , at  -20 dB  = minimum ,=20 but  15 watts  would  do  the  job !
 
As I say  its  the  only  = plug-and-play  =20 data  mode  , just plug in place of the  CW key  ( = the =20 development  was  based on the  racal  ma1723  = ,=20 in  CW mode at  20  wpm  as the maximum  =20 keying  speed and  envelope  shape)
 
 
73 -G.
 
 
 
 
14:00 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:39 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:26 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:19 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:13 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:07 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
13:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:57 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:50 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:43 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:38 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:34 500 M0FMT Op4 -20 dB
12:14 500 M0FMT Op4 -21 dB
12:02 500 M0FMT Op4 -22 dB
11:54 500 M0FMT Op4 -27 dB
 
 

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Hi Graham
 
Yes very pleased with it so far I will change power soon = trying to=20 make up a PWM cct to have a continuously variable = power on the=20 rig (GW3UEP) Class E Fet O/P = stage Gate.=20 PC not crashed .... wait for it! .... for a bit now actually done = nothing to=20 stop it....... weird.
 I have only just got my head around opera......  thought = it was=20 a linear mode but this makes sense for LF comms. much more like a CW = transmission which I=20 like.
 
Thanks for all the info on opera btw.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:37
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Wow   and that  was  just using the  = Op =20 w/fall !  You  could  reduce to  2 watts   = and  still  decode !  
 
Glad the  system  is  working  for  you =
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX=20 dial

Thanks Paul
 
Graham is right about QRG.
 
My PC keeps crashing so may go back to QRSS3 using my HB PIC = keyer=20 (not affected by RF) on the same QRG. Thanks fer = looking.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>= ;
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent: Saturday, 2 = June 2012,=20 13:12
Subject: Re: = LF: Re:=20 beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

could be   503.275  ?   +/-   a=20 bit  !
 
G.

From: Clemens = Paul=20
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial

>on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial setting
 
What is the actual tx qrg then?
Just for exactly looking if the signal is visible at = all.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org=20
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 02, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject:=20 LF: beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX dial

Hi All

Please report my beacon on 501.59kc/s USB RX = dial=20 setting. Temporary QRG.

73 Pete FMT
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
  =
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