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A very good work was done DK4VW (and all involved) and=20 we can be happy about the very fast permission. Just a reminder what you said in februrary, 15th, this year (partly=20 marked in red) -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: LF: 472-479 kHz - no illusions for DL Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:34:49 +0100 (CET) Von: "Horst St=C3=B6cker" Antwort an: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org */Hello Stefan, hello Walter, /* */the VO Funk / Radio Regulation is international law. I am in doubt if=20 this will be fully implemented in national law in Germany very soon. In=20 the past our Bundesnetzagentur did not see the VO Funk as MUST but as=20 CAN. The Bundesnetzagentur itself will not be interested in=20 actualisation of the Frequenzzuweisungsplanverordnung, the=20 Frequenznutzungsplan and the Amateurfunkverordnung. Funny words that=20 sound as complicated as german authorities work . . . /* */So it depends on the DARC. But I do not expect much from them. If they=20 would really bring us on 472kHz within 2012 this was really a reason to=20 join the club again. /* */Horst/* ----------------------------- So, that is about 4 months ago! And now we have the permission. And you=20 said this would really be a reason to join the club again! But now you=20 say "/I know ones more why I left the club!/" Odd. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Are you able to radiate 1 W ERP on 475 kHz? Am 20.06.2012 17:57, schrieb Walter Staubach: > Horst, > as you already did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides=20 > the road and tell to hard working people what they should have done=20 > better. > Note: If the MF-regulation does not meet your needs - you are not=20 > forced to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure. > 73 > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* "Horst St=C3=B6cker" > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:54 AM > *Subject:* Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams > > Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full > implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by > the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012? > The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really? > The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class > E. Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with > max. 9W ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences > in germany. As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing. > It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with > one Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP > (now BNetzA) remembered that there were experimental stations > (like my DA5FS) with every kind of licences. So one decided for > the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still allocated to class > A AND E HAMs. > Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the clu= b! > Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN) > --------------050903040706050005060405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q5KHvWe7019928 Hello Horst, Walter, MF,

Walter is right. A very good work was done DK4VW (and all involved)=C2=A0 and we can be happy about the very fast permission.

Just a reminder what you said in februrary, 15th, this year (partly marked in red)

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: = LF: 472-479 kHz - no illusions for DL
Datum: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:34:49 +0100 (CET)
Von: "Horst St=C3=B6cker" <horst.stoecker@web.de>
Antwort a= n: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org


Hello Stefan, hello Walter,
the VO Funk / Radio Regulation is international law. = I am in doubt if this will be fully implemented in national law in Germany very soon. In the past our Bundesnetzagentur did not see the VO Funk as MUST but as CAN.=C2= =A0 The Bundesnetzagentur itself will not be interested in actualisation of the Frequenzzuweisungsplanverordnung, the Frequenznutzungsplan and the Amateurfunkverordnung. Funny words that sound as complicated as german authorities work . . .
So it depends on the DARC. But I do not expect much from them. If they would really bring us on 472kHz within 2012 this was really a reason to join the club again.
Horst

-----------------------------

So, that is about 4 months ago! And now we have the permission. And you said this would really be a reason to join the club again! But now you say "I know ones more why I left the club!"

Odd.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Are you able to radiate 1 W ERP on 475 kHz?


Am 20.06.2012 17:57, schrieb Walter Staubach:
Horst,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 as you already = did in earlier times you do now: Standing besides the road and tell to hard working people what they should have done better.
Note: If the MF-regulation does no= t meet your needs - you are not forced to use this nice band. Others will do with pleasure.
73
Walter
=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:54 AM
Subject: Aw: LF: Text of MF-Allocation to German Hams

Just 1W ERP - this will be also the maximum power after the full implementation of WRC2012 in 2013. I got this information also by the BNetzA. What was the maximum power in WRC2012?
The DARC, especially DK4VW, made a big deal. Really?
The new allocation will only ge for the class A, not for the class E. Whats so funny about? With DI2AN I was allowed to transmit with max. 9W ERP. Anyone - not just HAMs - still can get these licences in germany. As HAM with class E even not 1W ERP - just nothing.
It's a similar situation as with the HAM band >250GHz. But with one Difference: When >250GHz became a HAM band in DL the RegTP (now BNetzA) remembered that there were experimental stations (like my DA5FS) with every kind of licences. So one decided for the only logical consequence: >250THz ist still allocated to class A AND E HAMs.
Really a big deal about 492kHz! I know ones more why I left the club!
Horst DO1KHS (ex DA5FS, ex DI2AN)

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