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Hello John,

Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation to=20
be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from the=20
yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the=20
"members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...

Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so=20
fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the LF=20
group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to complex=20
for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to vote. So=20
their opinion will be ignored!

Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only=20
me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group,=20
although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party=20
(in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:
> Stefan,
>
> I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo=20
> account.  I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and=20
> that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with=20
> your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be=20
> authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe.
>
> I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a poll on=20
> the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they voted.
>
> 73 John, G3WKL
>
> On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch=E4fer=20
> <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de=20
> <mailto:Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Clive, LF,
>
>     For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a
>     yahoo account it is not possible to vote! This situation is
>     advantaging the pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind
>     for such facts that there are further members (outside the poll)
>     who want to codeterminate in this process.
>
>     My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group
>     compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like
>     competitors, where one has to win and the other will be shut down
>     after some time.
>
>     73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
>     Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:
>
>         If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before
>         the voting period ends.
>
>
>

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Hello John,<br>
<br>
Yesterday i subscribed again, just for voting. I got the confirmation
to be on the list (only the email list!) and also got new messages from
the yahoo list. But the poll area was still blanked and appeared in the
"members only" section. So no chance. I unsubscribed again...<br>
<br>
Apart from this, there are several members (i assume) who are not so
fimilar with the english language but anyway want to be a part of the
LF group. Some of them are 70+ years old i assume. This may be to
complex for a fraction of those and so they have no real chance to
vote. So their opinion will be ignored! <br>
<br>
Anyway, you clearly see from the emails here that it's by far not only
me who wants to stay here. The LF community here is a small group,
although we are spread all over the world. If the pro-blacksheep party
(in a fair poll) would be only 20%, would you shut them down? <br>
<br>
73, Stefan/DK7FC<br>
<br>
Am 04.06.2012 17:03, schrieb John Gould:
<blockquote
 cite="mid:CAD+JcHT_LTry77thwRk0EgEtqSZK5f7RnZTUic=NSHRL40C+9A@mail.gmail.com"
 type="cite">Stefan,
  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>I not sure that you are correct in saying that one needs a yahoo
account. &nbsp;I've subscribed to Yahoo! Groups with my Gmail account and
that worked OK, so you should be able to join the RSGB_LF_Group with
your Heidelberg e-mail account, wait for the membership to be
authorised by one of the moderators, vote and then un-subscribe. &nbsp;</div>
  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>I've not run a poll on this list - it was so easy to set up a
poll on the other group that everyone can see who voted and how they
voted. &nbsp;</div>
  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>73 John, G3WKL</div>
  <div><br>
  <div class="gmail_quote">On 4 June 2012 15:50, Stefan Sch&auml;fer <span
 dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
 href="mailto:Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de" target="_blank">Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi
Clive, LF,<br>
    <br>
For those who simply subscribed to the list but without having a yahoo
account it is not possible to vote! This situation is advantaging the
pro-yahoo party. Please remind those who are blind for such facts that
there are further members (outside the poll) who want to codeterminate
in this process.<br>
    <br>
My vote is pro blacksheep and i would agree with the 2 group
compromise. As long as the two groups are not treated like competitors,
where one has to win and the other will be shut down after some time.<br>
    <br>
73, Stefan/DK7FC<br>
    <br>
Am 04.06.2012 13:15, schrieb Clive Lorton:<br>
    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
 style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
If you have voted it is possible to change your vote before the voting
period ends.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  </blockquote>
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