Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 72E2E38000088; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCMY-0000vc-LZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SbCMY-0000vT-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:02 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SbCMV-00020H-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:05:01 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q53F4wAD021753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:04:59 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q53F4w0R021267 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:04:58 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCB7CC1.6030803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:03:29 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Of course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the poll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance. Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid. 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But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance. Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid. In that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep. Two separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would always try to pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would agree to such a compromise. On the blacksheep refelector we have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a minority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE MORE Very sad! BTW *Please don't forget those who are not so familiar with the english language!* They may be very LF interested but can't follow the discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. *Minorities, but worth to think about!* Stefan/DK7FC Am 03.06.2012 15:57, schrieb John Gould: > I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is > a clear view on the way forward. I thought that there was, but there > seem to still be some with concerns. I personally don't want to have > two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups > earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were > lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups > offering. Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! > Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile > seeing what the preference is for the way forward. > > For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of > course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can > exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish). > > The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow: > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > rsgb_lf_group group: > > Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list, > how do you want to continue? > > o With the Yahoo! Groups list > o With the Blacksheep.org list > o Both lists > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > 73 John, G3WKL --------------010804070605060709050203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course all those who like yahoo have no problem to take part in the poll. But there may be some who say "i won't bother with this yahoo stuff". Those will have no real chance to take part. Based on a yahoo poll it is advantaged to pro-yahoo in advance.
Anyway i will subsrcibe and try to give my vote, as long as i don't need an extra yahoo account for that. It was easy to subscribe to the list but i'm afraid that taking part in a poll assumes to have a yahoo account. Then i cannot see the poll as really valid.

In that case, someone may have in mind that i vote for blacksheep.
Two separate groups would be a bad compromise and they would always try to pull members from the other group to themselves. Anyway i would agree to such a compromise.

On the blacksheep refelector we have been ONE GROUP, now we may loose a minority, maybe. For what? MORE MORE MORE
Very sad!

BTW Please don't forget those who are not so familiar with the english language! They may be very LF interested but can't follow the discussion and tell their opinion in an understandable way. Minorities, but worth to think about!

Stefan/DK7FC




Am 03.06.2012 15:57, schrieb John Gould:
I've put up a poll on the Yahoo! Group version to see whether there is a clear view on the way forward.  I thought that there was, but there seem to still be some with concerns.   I personally don't want to have two groups, which is why I didn't support a move to Yahoo! Groups earlier; I thought from what I had read on the list that there were lots of people wanting to take advantage of the Yahoo! Groups offering.  Since many of us have had the chance to try out Yahoo! Groups and it offers polling tool I thought it would be worthwhile seeing what the preference is for the way forward.  

For those not currently members of the Yahoo! Group list you will of course have to join in order to vote, but at least this is how you can exercise your right to vote (and leave afterwards, if you wish).

The detail of the poll, which I've set to close next Sunday is as follow:


Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the

rsgb_lf_group group:

Now that you've had a chance to try the Yahoo! Groups list,
how do you want to continue?

o With the Yahoo! Groups list
o With the Blacksheep.org list
o Both lists


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/rsgb_lf_group/surveys?id=13140385

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


73 John, G3WKL
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