Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA4A938000081; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfvZ-0003BV-NC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ScfvZ-0003BM-0L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:17 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.laposte.net ([193.253.67.226] helo=smtpout.laposte.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1ScfvW-0002zn-BO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:51:15 +0100 Received: from wwinf8219 ([10.99.54.224]) by mwinf8501-out with ME id KUrD1j00A4qF5ki03UrDae; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:51:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:51:13 +0200 From: "manginbenoit.pro" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <1681559339.753475.1339087873235.JavaMail.www@wwinf8219> In-Reply-To: <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <00ad01cd424c$0138a690$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <00d301cd4255$b6428ac0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <636F5742-6949-4616-9CFD-3FCF99B4506A@gmail.com> <00f301cd4263$4ce62880$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4FCCD78A.6030302@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FD08634.8010402@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <000b01cd449e$8ed026a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <989268713.594928.1339069782716.JavaMail.www@wwinf8316> <4FD0999E.3080206@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1608727203.579919.1339071424127.JavaMail.www@wwinf8307> <4FD09E40.2050308@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [82.246.206.85] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: This is the eternal question... QRSS is quite easier and most probably the only solution for most of us BUT: We are a quite a large lot to look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW activity. If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO in regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs. 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QRSS is quite easier and most probably the only solution for most of us BUT= : We are a quite a large lot to look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW a= ctivity. If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO in regular C= W, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.=20 That should be peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another mons= trous signal. On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna efficiency is greater, and = CW should be easier.=20 Passionned with 160 meters, I would also focus on CW for MF 630 meters, wit= h probably a bit of slow CW beaconing or QSO, but just for fun. The no-comp= uter approach is something of a challenge. Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine !!!". 73 Ben > Message du 07/06/12 14:32 > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > Hi Ben, >=20 > I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small PA and = a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and so i w= ill not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band, hopef= ully. That makes things easier. > On MF i plan to focus on plain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe e= ven no computer. However Speclab would be fine to get an overview of the ba= nd activity and offers nice filter and noise reduction tools... > I'm really excited how the band will be populated. It's not so far away f= rom 1800 kHz and an ordinary amateur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, = configured as a T antenna will work reasonable if a suitable earth is avail= able. >=20 > But what's the problem in France? You have so much space for large antenn= as, don't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-) >=20 > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:=20 Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP. >=20 > My "reasonable" setup indicates me that triple that value could be necess= ary... >=20 > CU there >=20 > Ben >=20 >=20 >=20 > Message du 07/06/12 14:12 > > De : "Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer"=20 > > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Copie =C3=A0 :=20 > > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz > > > > I only heared some rumours about the permission starting January, 1st,= =20 > > 2013, here in DL. Also i heard rumours that a permit is given out on th= e=20 > > Ham Radio 2012 (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/index.php= )=20 > > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 is more realistic. > >=20 > > Time to build a suitable loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH= =20 > > only... > >=20 > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > >=20 > > Am 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: > > > Are there other EU countries (apart from the British Isles)=20 > > > granting MF access to the amateur service so fast ? > > > > > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper from our=20 > > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well informed. > > > > > > 73 > > > > > > Ben > >=20 > >=20 Une messagerie gratuite, garantie =C3=A0 vie et des services en plus, =C3= =A7a vous tente ? Je cr=C3=A9e ma bo=C3=AEte mail www.laposte.net ------=_Part_753474_649698841.1339087873234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the eternal question...

QRSS is quite easier and most pr= obably the only solution for most of us BUT: We are a quite a large lot to&= nbsp;look forward "operator-hands-and-ears" CW activity= .

If 137 was more populated, maybe wouldn't it be so hard to QSO= in regular CW, even with veeeeeeeery low ERPs.

That should be = peanuts for you Stefan, once you get on the air another monstrous signal.
On MF, the problem is similar, although antenna efficiency is gre= ater, and CW should be easier.
Passionned with 160 meters, I would al= so focus on CW for MF 630 meters, with probably a bit of slow CW beaconing = or QSO, but just for fun. The no-computer approach is something of a challe= nge.

Remember, CW is "Man versus Machine !!!".
73

Ben




> Mess= age du 07/06/12 14:32
> De : "Stefan Schäfer"
= > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Copie à :
>= Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1 kHz
>
> Hi Ben,
> > I do not intend to run so much power. I will rather build a small P= A and a lossy coil. A lossy coil has a lower Q and a braoder bandwidth and = so i will not need to adjust the resonance when making QSY within the band,= hopefully. That makes things easier.
> On MF i plan to focus on pl= ain handgiven CW. No QRSS, no grabber, maybe even no computer. However Spec= lab would be fine to get an overview of the band activity and offers nice f= ilter and noise reduction tools...
> I'm really excited how the ban= d will be populated. It's not so far away from 1800 kHz and an ordinary ama= teur radio antenna, e.g. a dipole for 80m, configured as a T antenna will w= ork reasonable if a suitable earth is available.
>
> But w= hat's the problem in France? You have so much space for large antennas, don= 't you? Or do you live in Paris City? :-)
>
> 73, Stefan/D= K7FC
>
> Am 07.06.2012 14:17, schrieb manginbenoit.pro: Lucky you Stefan, lucky you ! Probably the reason for your KW ERP= .
>
> My "reasonable" setup indicates me that  triple that value could be necessary...
>
> C= U there
>
> Ben
>
>
> > Message du 07/06/12 14:12
> > De : "Stefan Sch&au= ml;fer"
> > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: LF: VX9MRC 504.1= kHz
> >
> > I only heared some rumours about the per= mission starting January, 1st,
> > 2013, here in DL. Also i hea= rd rumours that a permit is given out on the
> > Ham Radio 2012= (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/ham-en/in= dex.php)
> > , which would be in 3 weeks! But i guess 2013 = is more realistic.
> >
> > Time to build a suitable = loading coil for MF. I will need about 240 uH
> > only...
= > >
> > 73, Stefan/DK7FC
> >
> > A= m 07.06.2012 13:49, schrieb manginbenoit.pro:
> > > Are there= other EU countries (apart from the British Isles)
> > > gra= nting MF access to the amateur service so fast ?
> > >
&= gt; > > We in France still did not hear even the smallest whisper fro= m our
> > > tutelage administration. Or maybe am I not well = informed.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >> > > Ben
> >
> >
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