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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all, many thanks to all who have been so kind to give me interesting advices like the ones below from Johan and Chris. Some of these circuits I already knew when I built my single-turn air-cored loop (at that time I opted for the M0AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together with good performance). Now I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn ferrite-cored active antenna, hopefully covering also LF. Do the same amplifiers suit for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-turn ferrite-cored)? 73 Daniele IZ5WWB [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (danieletincani[at]yahoo.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 FSL_FREEMAIL_1 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 32d4aaaf019758ff5a0d8e92eec683e6 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S X-AOL-REROUTE: YES x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484fe606220279 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=0A=A0=0Amany thanks to all who have been so kind to give me interes= ting advices like the ones below from Johan and Chris. Some of these circui= ts I already knew when I built my single-turn air-cored=A0loop=A0(at that t= ime I opted for the M0AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together wit= h good performance). Now I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn= ferrite-cored active antenna, hopefully covering=A0also LF. Do the same=A0= amplifiers suit for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-tu= rn ferrite-cored)?=0A=A0=0A73=0ADaniele IZ5WWB=0A=A0 =0A=0A________________= ________________=0A Da: Chris Trask =0AA: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0AInviato: Sabato 23 G= iugno 2012 17:53=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?=0A = =0A>=0A> > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about=0A> > is the r= equired low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in=0A> > air-core br= oadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas?=0A>=0A>=0A> Hi D= aniele,=0A>=0A>you may get some inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier des= ign.=0A> =0A> http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-active-sm-lo= op-antenna.htm=0A>=0A=0A=A0 =A0 This amplifier provides better performance= than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial products:=0A=0Ahttp://www.ho= me.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper009.html=0A=0A=0AChris Trask=0AN7ZWY / WD= X3HLB=0ASenior Member IEEE=0Ahttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/ ---1740643075-928118245-1340474829=:4474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
many thanks = to all who have been so kind to give me interesting advices like the ones b= elow from Johan and Chris. Some of these circuits I already knew when I bui= lt my single-turn air-cored loop (at that time I opted for the M0= AYF amplifier, because of its simplicity together with good performance). N= ow I'm planning to try to build a wideband multi-turn ferrite-cored active = antenna, hopefully covering also LF. Do the same  amplifiers suit= for both kinds of loop (single-turn air-cored and multi-turn ferrite-cored= )?
 
73
Daniele IZ5W= WB
 
Da: Chris Trask <= christrask@earthlink.net>
A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
<= b>Inviato: Sabato 23 Giugno 2= 012 17:53
Oggetto: Re:= LF: Ferrite broadband (LF-MF) antenna?

>
>= > so what I would appreciate some suggestions about
> > is the= required low-impedance amplifier, similar to those used in
> > ai= r-core broadband loops, if it does make sense of course. Any ideas?
>
>
> Hi Daniele,
>
>you may get some= inspiration from LZ1AQ's loop amplifier design.
>
> http://www.lz1aq.signacor.com/docs/wsml/wideband-ac= tive-sm-loop-antenna.htm
>

    This amplifier p= rovides better performance than either the Wellbrook or Pixel commercial pr= oducts:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper00= 9.html


Chris Trask
N7ZWY / WDX3HLB
Senior Member IEEE<= br>http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/



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